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Hillary was on a power trip -- Keyes is on a rescue mission. BIG DIFFERENCE
Pantagraph ^ | Aug. 6, 04 | Churchillbuff

Posted on 08/06/2004 8:03:31 AM PDT by churchillbuff

Stop with the Hillary/Keyes comparisons already (like in the linked oped in the newspaper, the Pantagraph). Hillary was on a POWER TRIP -- she pushed local candidates (Lowy and Andrew Cuomo) to the side so she could have the prize for herself. IN CONTRAST, AMBASSADOR KEYES IS RESPONDING TO A CALL FOR HELP FROM AN IMPERILED ILLINOIS REPUBLICAN PARTY. He's on a rescue mission. True, the media in Illinois don't like his decision, they don't want him showing up with a life-preserver - - - but why should he agree with them that the local GOP should be allowed to drown? CONGRATULATIONS, AMBASSADOR KEYES. YOU'VE SHOWN A SENSE OF DUTY BY RESPONDING TO A CALL FOR HELP.


TOPICS: Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: alan; alankeyes; bigdifference; carpetbagging; godfearing; hefearsthelord; heisgood; heisprogun; heisprolife; heissmart; hillary; hitlery; ifearkeyes; illinois; keyes; nodiffernce; polorizing; saveamerica; stophillary
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To: WOSG

You continued to have to rationalize a wrong action.


81 posted on 08/06/2004 12:03:14 PM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news.)
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To: WOSG
Will you get real? "What principle?" That representatives should COME FROM THE PEOPLE THEY SUPPOSEDLY REPRESENT?

Are you that far removed from the founding principles? This is exactly what the elites in NY and LA want---an excuse to run "their" candidates in ND and AZ and OH. It is an utter disaster, and cannot be excused.

82 posted on 08/06/2004 12:04:44 PM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news.)
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To: EternalVigilance
Let me make it real simple. I'm not talking about REQUIREMENTS. I'm talking about the Founders' intentions, and you know them as well as I, namely

that REPRESENTATIVES at the national level come from the people they supposedly represent.

You guys are really jumping through hoops on this one, and it's reminiscent of the Clinton supporters trying to explain why their guy wasn't doing anything wrong.

83 posted on 08/06/2004 12:07:46 PM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news.)
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To: LS
You continued to have to rationalize a wrong action.

I fail to see how you can characterize what the IL GOP wants as wrong. WE have no right to tell them who they can and cannot choose. THAT would overstep our bounds in federalism.

It's their state. They want Keyes. Now, let's get behind their decision, and trust that they know what’s best for their state.

84 posted on 08/06/2004 12:10:06 PM PDT by Gelato
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To: churchillbuff

bttt


85 posted on 08/06/2004 12:11:12 PM PDT by Guenevere
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To: Gelato
A person is not a carpetbagger if he was drafted by the state.

*Rolling my eyes*

You do realize, don't you, that Charlie Rangle claims HE is the one who approached Hillary Clinton, right?

86 posted on 08/06/2004 12:12:39 PM PDT by Howlin (Saving Private Hamster)
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To: LS
Will you get real? "What principle?" That representatives should COME FROM THE PEOPLE THEY SUPPOSEDLY REPRESENT?

What are you talking about? A representative is someone chosen by the people. They are choosing Keyes. By what right can we take issue with their choice? Let them choose for themselves.

87 posted on 08/06/2004 12:13:42 PM PDT by Gelato
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To: Gelato

Fine. Will you still say that when he gets 17% of the vote and Osama gets 60?


88 posted on 08/06/2004 12:15:24 PM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news.)
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To: Howlin
Hillary deliberately picked New York, and created her own opportunity there. Keyes did no such thing. He was drafted, officially, by the IL GOP, out of the blue! Now, let's STOP criticizing their choice, and get behind their nominee.

There's no reason to make such an issue out of this.

89 posted on 08/06/2004 12:17:32 PM PDT by Gelato
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To: frossca
The party operatives can point to Keyes and say, "See, we are running a true conservative."

God can use useful idiots for His own purposes.

90 posted on 08/06/2004 12:17:54 PM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Gelato
It's real simple, and I can't believe conservatives are trying to defend this: you are saying, point blank, that Illinois has NO---repeat NO---qualified attractive Republican candidates within its borders. You are suggesting Illinois is so pathetic that it cannot run ONE PERSON who lives in the state, or who knows anything about the state, but that they have to go get a "savior" from Maryland? And you want to boast about this?

So I don't want you to howl when a rich Hollywood type gets on the ballot in, say, Montana and overwhelms the locals with advertising and name recognition because "it's their state."

91 posted on 08/06/2004 12:18:28 PM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news.)
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To: LS
Fine. Will you still say that when he gets 17% of the vote and Osama gets 60?

That's up to the people of Illinois to decide.

92 posted on 08/06/2004 12:18:38 PM PDT by Gelato
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To: WOSG
I like the analogy - this IS a rescue mission.

I'm more in the mood for a search and destroy mission. 8-)

93 posted on 08/06/2004 12:19:01 PM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: churchillbuff

Good question.


94 posted on 08/06/2004 12:20:51 PM PDT by Dante3
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To: Gelato

I don't have a right to tell them what the CAN'T chose, but I do have the right to tell them what they SHOULDN'T chose. And you should never chose a carpetbagger. Keyes doesn't live there, has never lived there, and after he loses probably will never live there. Might as well just head over to Indiana and randomly kidnap someone.


95 posted on 08/06/2004 12:21:02 PM PDT by discostu (Gravity is a harsh mistress)
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To: LS
It's real simple, and I can't believe conservatives are trying to defend this: you are saying, point blank, that Illinois has NO---repeat NO---qualified attractive Republican candidates within its borders.

Begging your pardon, but the IL GOP has already decided who they want. I wouldn't dare question their judgment.

They apparently went with the candidate they thought was best.

96 posted on 08/06/2004 12:21:07 PM PDT by Gelato
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To: StumpyPete
What's his position on the Iraq campaign?""

I don't know. Maybe -- like Bush -- he disagrees with me, maybe not. But I'd support him anyway - like I support Bush - because I agree with him on other things. We can't agree with everybody on everything -- you have to go with the candidate who's closest to you overall. And please, stop using "appeasement" incorrectly. It means to give things to dictators in the hope they'll play nice - - it DOESN't mean declining to invade a country that happens to be run by a dictator. If it meant the latter, then we're "appeasers" when it comes to scores of dictator-run countries, from Cuba to China to North Korea to Zimbabwe.

97 posted on 08/06/2004 12:21:27 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: tarheelswamprat

"Obama is being groomed and positioned for national office as "the true face of black America". What he really represents is another clintonesque stealth candidate, supposedly a moderate/centrist, but in reality a functional leftist. Like Clinton he possesses the charisma and eloquence to charm, soothe and reassure the voters into dropping their guard while he and his party continue implementing their leftist agenda.

"For this reason alone it is important to have an equally intelligent and eloquent black candidate such as Keyes, who is also a true Constitutionist and conservative, oppose him in public debate, and to do it now, and not allow the media to create, without challenge, a "Mythos of Obama."



Excellent!!!

A nation's liberty is at stake, and here, we have an opportunity for hundreds of thousands of persons to hear the Founding ideas articulated as they might have been from the lips of Washington or Jefferson, and all some can do is gripe about "carpetbagging"?

Get the bigggggggg picture, guys!!

We have a country
- whose constitutional principles are being undermined by activist judges,
- whose children are being murdered in the womb,
- whose school-age children are being dumbed down and never taught the ideas of liberty,
- whose citizens believe men like the wealthy Kerry and Edwards have their best interests at heart and are ready to trade their votes for promises (the currency of those who desire power),

AND YOU ARE NOT SEEING THAT PERHAPS "DIVINE PROVIDENCE" IS PROVIDING, ONCE AGAIN, FOR AN OPPORTUNITY TO ENLIGHTEN AT LEAST A FEW CITIZENS AS TO THE BANKRUPTCY AND FALLACIES OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY'S AGENDA FOR AMERICA?

Come on!! Obama is probably going to win, no matter who the Republicans offer up! At least, there is a man who can rebut his ideas.


98 posted on 08/06/2004 12:22:58 PM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: discostu
I do have the right to tell them what they SHOULDN'T chose

How? Why? You believe outsiders should tell a state they there's something wrong with picking an outsider? Crazy logic.

And you should never chose a carpetbagger

That's a contradiction in terms. A carpetbagger is an invader. Keyes is a draftee.

99 posted on 08/06/2004 12:24:30 PM PDT by Gelato
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To: Gelato
Let me ask you this: if the Pennsylvania Republican Party wanted to nominate O.J. Simpson would you have a problem with that?

A state party apparatus can suck (as apparently Illinois' does). It is so pathetic, it can't find one Republican in one of the most populous states in the Union to run as a senatorial candidate. And the Founders would tell them what they are doing is wrong, wrong, wrong.

100 posted on 08/06/2004 12:24:45 PM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news.)
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