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Hillary was on a power trip -- Keyes is on a rescue mission. BIG DIFFERENCE
Pantagraph ^ | Aug. 6, 04 | Churchillbuff

Posted on 08/06/2004 8:03:31 AM PDT by churchillbuff

Stop with the Hillary/Keyes comparisons already (like in the linked oped in the newspaper, the Pantagraph). Hillary was on a POWER TRIP -- she pushed local candidates (Lowy and Andrew Cuomo) to the side so she could have the prize for herself. IN CONTRAST, AMBASSADOR KEYES IS RESPONDING TO A CALL FOR HELP FROM AN IMPERILED ILLINOIS REPUBLICAN PARTY. He's on a rescue mission. True, the media in Illinois don't like his decision, they don't want him showing up with a life-preserver - - - but why should he agree with them that the local GOP should be allowed to drown? CONGRATULATIONS, AMBASSADOR KEYES. YOU'VE SHOWN A SENSE OF DUTY BY RESPONDING TO A CALL FOR HELP.


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To: churchillbuff
IN CONTRAST, AMBASSADOR KEYES IS RESPONDING TO A CALL FOR HELP FROM AN IMPERILED ILLINOIS REPUBLICAN PARTY

I think you left out a word. Let's try...

In contrast, Ambassador Keyes is responding to a call for help from an imperiled Illinois Repulican Party establishment.

As in many "blue" states, the Illinois Republican party machine is much more moderate than the rank and file. At this point in time, Keyes is the perfect candidate. The party operatives can point to Keyes and say, "See, we are running a true conservative."

So Keyes runs, makes it a relatively competetive race but still loses. The threats to the party powerbrokers fades and they can sit back and enjoy a year or so rest before they can ruin the republican party faithful's hopes yet again.
21 posted on 08/06/2004 8:36:51 AM PDT by frossca
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To: churchillbuff

The best part of Mr. Keyes running in the birthplace of Hillry Rotten Clinton is that the DNC will be forced to spend her money...... This is great!!!!


22 posted on 08/06/2004 8:38:45 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: churchillbuff
Is Obama pro-abortion? Because of all the good press he's getting, I'm assuming (Without any other evidence) that he is. If so, it'll give Dr. Keyes a big opening for some rhetorical fireworks. Abortion is Keyes' front-center moral issue

Obama's pro-abortion. Keyes will stuff the issue down Obama's throat, figuratively speaking, of course.

23 posted on 08/06/2004 8:44:09 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: LS
Let me also remind you of this---which KEYES should know, because he is a brilliant man---the PURPOSE of the senate is to protect the states. The purpose of the House is to protect the people. That is why it is doubly important for a senator to be FROM THE STATE he or she supposedly represents.

The original purpose of the Senate was to protect the States. Ever since the 17th Amendment was enacted, this is no longer true.

Obama is being groomed and positioned for national office as "the true face of black America". What he really represents is another clintonesque stealth candidate, supposedly a moderate/centrist, but in reality a functional leftist. Like Clinton he possesses the charisma and eloquence to charm, soothe and reassure the voters into dropping their guard while he and his party continue implementing their leftist agenda.

For this reason alone it is important to have an equally intelligent and eloquent black candidate such as Keyes, who is also a true Constitutionist and conservative, oppose him in public debate, and to do it now, and not allow the media to create, without challenge, a "Mythos of Obama".

24 posted on 08/06/2004 8:50:01 AM PDT by tarheelswamprat
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To: tarheelswamprat

If it is important to have an "intelligent black" on the ticket, it would then be doubly important to have an ILLINOIS "intelligent black" there, otherwise you are saying there is no such person in the state.


25 posted on 08/06/2004 8:53:46 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news.)
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To: LS

I read Obama was cutting a trip short to my home state to Mississippi this week where he was seeking campaign money. It seems to me if you can speak to people outside your state you are running in, outsiders can run also.


26 posted on 08/06/2004 8:53:56 AM PDT by Sybeck1 (Kerry: how can we trust him with our money, if Teresa won't trust him with hers!)
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To: churchillbuff

Come on church. "Everybody does it" is exactly what we fought against in the Clinton years. Let's not do it now. This is wrong, wrong, wrong. You know it, I know it, and Keyes better know it.


27 posted on 08/06/2004 8:55:41 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news.)
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To: Sybeck1

You know that doesn't wash. Let me rephrase: seems to me that Bill Clinton was having oral sex in the White House. If he can do it, we can too.


28 posted on 08/06/2004 8:58:33 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news.)
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To: churchillbuff
"Hillary was on a power trip -- Keyes is on a rescue mission. BIG DIFFERENCE"

EXCELLENT point.

29 posted on 08/06/2004 9:02:42 AM PDT by knarf (A place where anyone can learn anything ... especially that which promotes clear thinking.)
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To: LS

The point is this:
IT AINT CARBETBAGGING IF YOU ARE INVITED BY THE LOCALS!

What Keyes is doing is at the behest of Illinois republicans.

I like the analogy - this IS a rescue mission.


30 posted on 08/06/2004 9:03:34 AM PDT by WOSG (George W Bush - Right for our Times!)
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To: churchillbuff

"I've never seen you argue for invading Cuba. So I guess you're pro-Castro, an "appeaser" of the communists in Cuba. Sheesh."

hmmm (starts rubbing chin) ... it is tempting ...

Anyway. God Speed Alan Keyes!

If you support him, send him money so he has a shot.


31 posted on 08/06/2004 9:05:17 AM PDT by WOSG (George W Bush - Right for our Times!)
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To: churchillbuff
"I deeply resent the destruction of federalism represented by Hillary Clinton's willingness go into a state she doesn't even live in and pretend to represent people there, so I certainly wouldn't imitate it."

-- Alan Keyes, March 2000

I would think such strongly held philosophical beliefs would apply regardless of the differences between Hillary's decision to run in New York and this one. It's obvious Keyes has sold himself out.

32 posted on 08/06/2004 9:09:09 AM PDT by BlackRazor
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To: tarheelswamprat; LS

Look, Obama is a Socialist.

Keyes is a conservative.

If you care a *whit* about Federalism, the choice is trivial.

saying 'oh, I'm a federalist, so I can't vote for a pro-Constitution candidate who happens to have been in a different state before he got drafted by my state's party to run for office ... well, that's beyond nitpicky'.

Get over it, let's support Keyes in unity and try to win.

Obama is a leftist, and is wrong for the USA and Illinois.
Obama could be the deciding vote that votes down a judicial conservative to the US Supreme Court.
He could be the 50th vote to stop tax cuts, to support amnesty for illegals, to gut tort reform, and to further ruin education with liberal policies on education and an anti-school-choice agenda.

Residency is in the noise compared to the real issues at stake here.


33 posted on 08/06/2004 9:11:46 AM PDT by WOSG (George W Bush - Right for our Times!)
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To: discostu

34 posted on 08/06/2004 9:13:15 AM PDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs (I don't trust men who inject poison in their faces to remove wrinkles or who are democrats.)
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To: BlackRazor; LS

Main Entry: car·pet·bag·ger
Pronunciation: -"ba-g&r
Function: noun
Etymology: from their carrying all their belongings in carpetbags
1 : a Northerner in the South after the American Civil War usually seeking private gain under the reconstruction governments
2 : OUTSIDER; especially : a nonresident or new resident who meddles in politics


It doesn't how you "dress it up," it is what it is.

The only way to stop this silly parsing on Keyes' behalf is to cop to it.


35 posted on 08/06/2004 9:16:11 AM PDT by Howlin (Saving Private Hamster)
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To: churchillbuff

Haven't seen this mentioned, but at the very least, whether Keyes wins or not, he will engage Obama in debate and keep Obama from gliding in to the Senate. I'm all for making the candidates pop a sweat gland instead of enjoying a coronation.


36 posted on 08/06/2004 9:17:27 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Kerry Lied. Soldiers Died.)
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To: LS

So who do you propose? This says nothing about there not being other intelligent people, good republicans, black conservatives, whatever, in Illinois. This is about the Illinois Republican party saying this is the best candidate.

It's a choice for Illinois.

Look, the play's been made, the call has gone out. your complaints are a day late and dollar short.

There is nothing inherently wrong with Illinois GOP choosing Keyes. The question is one of representation:
Can he represent the people of Illinois.
Fact is that he can do it better than Obama, but will
have to make that case.
residency is a small issue compared with the larger question of political philosophy etc.


37 posted on 08/06/2004 9:17:41 AM PDT by WOSG (George W Bush - Right for our Times!)
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To: WOSG
Ah, principle counts for nothing. Sorry. We have a major difference here.

I'm for winning within the rules. The rules in this case were devised by the FOUNDERS who had NO INTENTION that outsiders come in and "run" to "represent" people of another state.

Do you realize what you are opening the door to? Any sports icon/Hollywood celebrity who has 10 years' worth of free advertising descending on, say, Montana and "rescuing" the state. Nope, it's wrong.

38 posted on 08/06/2004 9:20:47 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news.)
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To: Howlin

Agreed. I'm the first one to attack "one issue" people in order to win, but this is flaunting the very essence of the Constitution. And it sets a VERY dangerous precedent.


39 posted on 08/06/2004 9:22:09 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news.)
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To: WOSG

I'm not FROM Illinois, so I would not presume to tell Illinois Republicans who to nominate . . . EXCEPT that it be one of their own. Is Illinois really so bankrupt of good candidates of ANY color that they cannot find one person to run against Obama? And if he's so "out there," it should be easy to find an opponent.


40 posted on 08/06/2004 9:23:44 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news.)
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