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Hillary was on a power trip -- Keyes is on a rescue mission. BIG DIFFERENCE
Pantagraph ^ | Aug. 6, 04 | Churchillbuff

Posted on 08/06/2004 8:03:31 AM PDT by churchillbuff

Stop with the Hillary/Keyes comparisons already (like in the linked oped in the newspaper, the Pantagraph). Hillary was on a POWER TRIP -- she pushed local candidates (Lowy and Andrew Cuomo) to the side so she could have the prize for herself. IN CONTRAST, AMBASSADOR KEYES IS RESPONDING TO A CALL FOR HELP FROM AN IMPERILED ILLINOIS REPUBLICAN PARTY. He's on a rescue mission. True, the media in Illinois don't like his decision, they don't want him showing up with a life-preserver - - - but why should he agree with them that the local GOP should be allowed to drown? CONGRATULATIONS, AMBASSADOR KEYES. YOU'VE SHOWN A SENSE OF DUTY BY RESPONDING TO A CALL FOR HELP.


TOPICS: Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Illinois
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To: WOSG
Wrong question and you know it. The correct question is,

which ILLINOIS Republican would I support, and that would be the most right-leaning Republican who had a reasonable chance of winning.

Which would I vote for (if I lived in Illinois) vs. Obama? ANY Republican.

But I do not support the concept of dragging in carpetbaggers at the last minute because a state party cannot do a good enough job of developing its own political talent. Again, this will come back to bite you, you watch.

161 posted on 08/06/2004 1:39:53 PM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news.)
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To: discostu
No person shall be a Senator who shall not have attained to the age of thirty years, and been nine years a citizen of the United States and who shall not, when elected, be an inhabitant of that state for which he shall be chosen. Article I, section 3

and what part of that do you think disqualifies Dr. Keyes?

You've only proven my point.

When he moves here he will be an inhabitant of our state.

162 posted on 08/06/2004 1:40:17 PM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: WOSG

Which doesn't change the fact that as a non-resisident he cannot represent Illinois.

I've said I'd like to see Keyes in the government, so this isn't about what Keyes thinks, it's about where he DOESN'T LIVE. That being Illinois (among other places I'm sure), and therefore he should not even be running for Senate there.


163 posted on 08/06/2004 1:40:18 PM PDT by discostu (Gravity is a harsh mistress)
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To: Nevermore
I dare say Mike Ditka knows a zillion times more about Illinois' problems than Keyes.

But, again, I find it amazing that so many conservatives gleefully ditch a founding principle of all representatives being LOCAL representatives (i.e., either district-wide or, in the case of senators, state-wide.) Amazing.

165 posted on 08/06/2004 1:41:28 PM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news.)
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To: discostu
This is what Obama represents ... it isn't Illinois, it's LEFTWING ACTIVISM: Obama Speech Obscures Left-Wing Record

Barack Obama cemented his position as a rising Democrat star with his keynote convention address July 27. He delivered his well-crafted speech with a perfect mixture of frankness and passion, deftly stirring the crowd from rapt silence to raucus enthusiasm--a home run.

There was only one problem: change a few sentences here and there, and the young black Senate candidate from Illinois could have given the same speech at the Republican National Convention.

In his speech, Obama said things like "government alone can't teach kids to learn," and noted that inner-city parents know they must "turn off the television sets and eradicate the slander that says a black youth with a book is acting white."

He all but preemptively refuted the class warfare-promoting "Two Americas" stump speech that vice presidential candidate John Edwards would give the following night when he said of his family's humble origins: "I stand here knowing that . . . in no other country on earth is my story even possible."

Porn Near Schools

Obama even cited the Declaration of Independence and its reference to the unalienable right to life in a convention hall packed with avid proponents of abortion on demand.

None of this dimmed the excitement of the mostly left-wing delegates, who knew they were not supposed to believe what they were hearing. Obama may talk like Bill Cosby or even J.C. Watts at times, but when he reaches the Senate next year--a near certainty after the failure of the hapless Illinois GOP to find a credible opponent--he will probably vote like Cynthia McKinney, albeit without sharing her shrill style.

As a state senator, Obama has been no defender of the unalienable right to life. He twice voted against bills prohibiting tax funding of abortions. In April 2002, he voted against a bill to protect babies born alive after a failed abortion procedure. A similar federal law passed later that year.

In 1997, Obama twice voted "present" on an Illinois partial-birth abortion ban. He absented himself from a third vote on the measure. In 2001, he voted "present" on a bill to notify parents when their minor children seek an abortion. He also voted against a cloning ban in 2000, although he voted for it in 2001.

In 1999, Obama voted against requiring school boards to put Internet pornography filters on school computers meant for students' use. In 2001, he voted "present" on a bill to keep pornographic book and video stores and strip clubs from setting up within 1,000 feet of schools and churches. In 2003, he voted in the Health and Human Services Committee for a bill requiring "age appropriate" sex-education for students in kindergarten through fifth grade.

Despite his talk of promoting reading among inner-city youth, Obama has repeatedly opposed bills designed to promote discipline in public schools. In 2001, he twice voted "no" on a bill to let school districts require unruly students to complete suspensions before they can be shuffled into a new school district. He voted "present" on an almost unanimously passed bill requiring adult prosecution for students who fire guns on school grounds.

Obama has been markedly soft on crime. In 2001, he voted against a bill that added extra penalties for crimes committed in furtherance of gang activities. He also voted against a bill making it a criminal offense for accused gang members, free on bond or on probation, to associate with known gang members. In 1999, he was the only state senator to vote against a bill prohibiting early prison release for criminal sexual abusers.

Obama has a long record of supporting tax increases as well, although he rarely had the opportunity before Democrats took over the Illinois Senate in 2002. Despite Democratic rhetoric on the high cost of health care, Obama voted last May to hike the tax on insurance premiums. Although this tax is levied on corporations, it effectively raises rates for consumers. The same day, Obama voted to preserve Illinois' death tax, increase taxes on casino visitors, and charge new sales taxes on businesses.

Given his record, it is not surprising that Obama has the support of leading left-wingers. Political action committees (PACs) that have contributed to his U.S. Senate campaign include: Progressive Choices ($5,000), Planned Parenthood ($5,000), the National Education Association ($5,000) and People for the American Way ($1,000), the leading group helping Democrats to block President Bush's judicial appointees. Sen. Hillary Clinton's (D.-N.Y.) leadership PAC gave him the maximum contribution ($10,000), as did the American Federation of Teachers and the National Abortion Rights Action League.

Also, Bush-hating billionaire George Soros threw a fundraiser for Obama's campaign in New York on June 7. Soros and four of his family members had earlier contributed a total of $60,000 to Obama's primary campaign. (They could legally give such large amounts because one of the other candidates was a self-funding millionaire.)

Although generally careful to avoid rash statements, Obama has at times slipped. NBC's Tim Russert confronted him July 25 with an October 2002 speech in which he had accused the Bush administration of going to war in Iraq for domestic political reasons: "What I am opposed to is the attempt by potential hacks like [Bush political advisor] Karl Rove to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income -- to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone through the worst month since the Great Depression," Obama said in 2002. "That's what I'm opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics."

Explaining his earlier statement to Russert, Obama backpedaled into an illogical explanation before finally repudiating his earlier statement. "What I think is that it was an ideologically driven war," said Obama, who, pressed again on whether he was "charging that President Bush sent men and women to die for political reasons," replied sheepishly, "No, I don't think that's the case."

167 posted on 08/06/2004 1:41:48 PM PDT by WOSG (George W Bush - Right for our Times!)
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To: Graybeard58

If he doesn't move in before Nov 2 he can't be elected period. If he moves in just to get elected he's no less of a carpetbagging power first scumbag than Hillary Clinton. If you want to vote for that be my guest, you shouldn't and doing so reflects badly on your character and on what my former home has turned into.

Find a good Illinois GOP to run, they can't all be sex perverts that cheated on their wives, law of averages says at least one won't suck.


168 posted on 08/06/2004 1:42:47 PM PDT by discostu (Gravity is a harsh mistress)
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To: GetZarqawiNow
I'm cliose to throwing my support to Jerry Kohn, the Libertarian

I can respect that. If that's what you thinks best by all means do it.

169 posted on 08/06/2004 1:43:00 PM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: Gelato

Fine. Have it your way. Once the principle is gone, it's gone. And justifying it by saying "a Democrat does it" is, well, not a justification for anything. Trust me, you/we will all regret this, and all the more so because Keyes will get clobbered. It's a bad principle, a bad fight, and a dumb strategy.


170 posted on 08/06/2004 1:43:39 PM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news.)
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To: GetZarqawiNow
The fact of the matter is, Judy Baar Topinka doesn't like Oberweis because he's too conservative for her. She's a RINO. JBT didn't want Keyes, either, but a very few members of the SCC convinced enough other members of the SCC to go for Keyes rather than JBT's pick, Barthwell, who was in FACT a Democrat claiming to be a Republican.

That's a shame. RINOs ruined the New Jersey GOP, now they are ruining the GOP in Ill. ... After November, DUMP her.

Before November, help Keyes run against Obama.

171 posted on 08/06/2004 1:43:56 PM PDT by WOSG (George W Bush - Right for our Times!)
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To: WOSG

Again this is NOT about Obama, you're attempts to make it about Obama are a boring monotonous longwinded pathetic red herring. Respond on the topic I'm discussing or don't respond at all.


173 posted on 08/06/2004 1:45:07 PM PDT by discostu (Gravity is a harsh mistress)
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To: Nevermore
Which is exactly what the "term limits" people said who continually ran for re-election. "Well, that's the law." Poppycock. A principle is a principle, and my hat's off to those who BELIEVED in term limits and left after the two terms, as they promised. It's the same thing here. Keyes well knows that the Founders would have HATED this, and he's the first to quote the Founders.

You are using Democrat logic to justify the un-justifiable.

174 posted on 08/06/2004 1:45:17 PM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news.)
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To: TomasUSMC

Can you say, "bad principle?"


175 posted on 08/06/2004 1:45:54 PM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news.)
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To: discostu
If you want to vote for that be my guest, you shouldn't and doing so reflects badly on your character.

Thanks for the permission.

As for telling me what I SHOULDN'T do. I can and do think for myself thank you.

As for the personal attack on my character - Bite me!

176 posted on 08/06/2004 1:46:39 PM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: Graybeard58

It's not permission, permission implies I have some ability to stop you. And it's not an attack on your character, but I will definitely think less of you for voting for a carpetbagger.


178 posted on 08/06/2004 1:49:28 PM PDT by discostu (Gravity is a harsh mistress)
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To: discostu
If you want to vote for that be my guest, you shouldn't and doing so reflects badly on your character

You'll have to continue this discussion with someone else. I won't respond to anyone who is a character assassin.

179 posted on 08/06/2004 1:49:41 PM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: LS

My question is the only question ahead of Illinois voters on the November ballot. Answer it.

your question is not relevent anymore. it's monday-morning quarterbacking of the Illinois GOP and it's already been stipulated they're no great shakes. Take it up with them if you dont like who they picked.


180 posted on 08/06/2004 1:49:45 PM PDT by WOSG (George W Bush - Right for our Times!)
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