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Cartoon creators sued (Jibjab "This Land")
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| 8/4/2004
| SIMON HOUPT
Posted on 08/05/2004 8:37:32 AM PDT by elfman2
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Isn't it ironic, a populist musician writes a song about negating property rights, and then the owners sue anyone parodying it. This line from the original shows Woody Guthrie's opinion of property rights:
"As I was walkin' - I saw a sign there And that sign said - no tress passin' But on the other side .... it didn't say nothin! Now that side was made for you and me"
Theres a MUCH better story here on Wired, but theyll sue us if we post it.
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posted on
08/05/2004 8:37:35 AM PDT
by
elfman2
To: elfman2
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posted on
08/05/2004 8:41:14 AM PDT
by
counterpunch
(The CouNTeRPuNcH Collection - www.counterpunch.us)
To: elfman2
The song has gotten more play in the last couple of weeks than in the last 20 years, and the copyrighter complains.
Understandably, the copyrighter is within his rights, but it is a rather petty complaint. The song probably hasn't been in the top 100 during the last decade, but the website has renewed it. The copyrighter should be praising and thanking the website rather than complaining.
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posted on
08/05/2004 8:45:08 AM PDT
by
TomGuy
(After 20 years in the Senate, all Kerry has to run on is 4 months of service in Viet Nam.)
To: elfman2
Website still has the parody online...
http://www.Jibjab.com
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posted on
08/05/2004 8:45:10 AM PDT
by
Zavien Doombringer
(I must be the source of Gravity, everything seems to come down on me)
To: elfman2
Yep Woody was a socialist. Maybe Dylan will sue me. Wait I haven't made any money!
Changing with the Wind
Sung to Blowing in the Wind
How many times must he flip flop and flip,
Before he takes a firm stand?
How many lies must he tell about Nam,
Before we all call his hand?
How many times can he vote pro and con,
Before he is totally canned?
His answer my friend, is changing with the wind.
His answer is changing with the wind.
How many times will he say George Bush lied,
Before he tells us a fact?
How many times must I hear him drone on,
And still my ears stay intact?
How many deaths did he cause there in Nam,
With all his appeasements at home?
The answer and trend, John Kerry's not our friend,
The answer's John Kerry's not our friend.
How many terms could John Kerry serve,
Before America's gone?
How many days before he would cave in,
Afraid to protect our home?
How many weeks till he gave us away,
And let the UN take the throne?
The answer my friend, we'd twist in the wind,
The answer is we'd twist in the wind.
Conspiracy Guy 8/3/2004
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posted on
08/05/2004 8:46:16 AM PDT
by
Conspiracy Guy
(They are where you least expect. Look around and you'll see them too.)
To: Conspiracy Guy
Peter, Paul, and Mary will be suing Conspiracy Guy next. :)
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posted on
08/05/2004 8:54:58 AM PDT
by
TexasGreg
("Democrats Piss Me Off")
To: TomGuy
I may be wrong about this, but I thought copyright laws didn't extend to cases like this involving what is clearly a parody of the original song.
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posted on
08/05/2004 8:55:50 AM PDT
by
Alberta's Child
("Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium . . . sed ego sum homo indomitus")
To: Conspiracy Guy
Changing with the Wind
Sung to Blowing in the Wind Ouch! I hurt myself laughing and the other people in the office are looking at me strangely. Well the second part has nothing to do with laughing because they look at me that way anyway.
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posted on
08/05/2004 8:56:33 AM PDT
by
KarlInOhio
(Sandy, is that a top secret document in your pants or are you just happy to see me?)
To: elfman2
"Woody Guthrie's son Arlo said he enjoyed the cartoon and even referred friends and relatives to the site. "I think my dad would have absolutely loved the humour in it,"
Good for him!
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posted on
08/05/2004 8:56:41 AM PDT
by
jocon307
To: TexasGreg
PP&M made it a hit but I thought Dylan or Baez wrote it ?
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posted on
08/05/2004 8:57:56 AM PDT
by
Conspiracy Guy
(They are where you least expect. Look around and you'll see them too.)
To: elfman2
Satire and alteration of song lyrics is a time-honored defense against copyright infringment.
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posted on
08/05/2004 8:58:59 AM PDT
by
Lazamataz
("Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown" -- harpseal)
To: Alberta's Child
I think the parody exception requires the parody to be a parody of the original work.
To: Alberta's Child
http://reason.com/links/links072904.shtml refers to the book
The Cat NOT in the Hat! which does the OJ trial in Dr. Seuss style. The court ruled that it was a satire of the OJ case rather than a legally allowed parady of the Cat in the Hat and banned the book. Is JibJab's song a parody of "This Land" or is it a satire of the election?
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posted on
08/05/2004 9:00:26 AM PDT
by
KarlInOhio
(Sandy, is that a top secret document in your pants or are you just happy to see me?)
To: elfman2
Fair use...now go away Guthrie, you socialist
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posted on
08/05/2004 9:00:39 AM PDT
by
smith288
(Kerry salutes like a girlyman.)
To: Alberta's Child
I'm not sure. I know music use is kind of tricky. The words can be copyrighted separate from the tune/melody.
I know 'songs' give many live TV programs headaches. I remember on the Tonite Show, for example, that every time the audience sings 'Happy Birthday' that NBC has to write a check to the songwriter. Even sung by an amateur but televised can cost the tv production money.
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posted on
08/05/2004 9:01:25 AM PDT
by
TomGuy
(After 20 years in the Senate, all Kerry has to run on is 4 months of service in Viet Nam.)
To: Alberta's Child
Parody or not, they still have to pay royalties for using the song.
To: Alberta's Child
I think you're right. Weird Al Yankovic has based his entire career on this!
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posted on
08/05/2004 9:03:28 AM PDT
by
JMK
(There's nothing as dangerous to your well-being as a rich Democrat in office!)
To: TomGuy
that every time the audience sings 'Happy Birthday' that NBC has to write a check to the songwriter. That happened in Wallace & Grommit's "The Wrong Trousers". The theatre and the VHS releases had "Happy Birthday". The recent DVD release replaced it with "For He's a Jolly Good Fellow". However, if you go to the directory's commentary sound track, they still have "Happy Birthday" being played.
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posted on
08/05/2004 9:06:22 AM PDT
by
KarlInOhio
(Sandy, is that a top secret document in your pants or are you just happy to see me?)
To: counterpunch
Exactly. Guthrie's main intent is to get a judge to put an injuction on them until after the election. I'll bet $20 towards FR that Guthrie's lawyers are either being paid by the DNC or are politically active DNC members.
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posted on
08/05/2004 9:06:37 AM PDT
by
Blood of Tyrants
(Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
To: elfman2
Theres a MUCH better story here on Wired, but theyll sue us if we post it.LOL
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posted on
08/05/2004 9:07:25 AM PDT
by
Petronski
(I'm not always cranky.)
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