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How Long Will the Oil Age Last?
Popular Science ^ | August 2004 | Kevin Kelleher

Posted on 07/31/2004 1:48:26 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

Chief among the pessimists is the Association for the Study of Peak Oil, a group of European scientists who estimate that maximum oil production around the globe will peak in 2008 as demand rises from developing economies such as China... Others believe, like Maugeri, that the number of glasses is virtually limitless. John Felmy, chief economist at the American Petroleum Institute, argues that peak oil- production estimates are so far off that for all practical purposes we might as well act as if oil will flow forever. "Ever since oil was first harvested in the 1800s, people have said we'd run out of the stuff," Felmy says. In the 1880s a Standard Oil executive sold off shares in the company out of fear that its reserves were close to drying up. The Club of Rome, a nonprofit global think tank, said in the 1970s that we'd hit peak oil in 2003. It didn't happen.

(Excerpt) Read more at popsci.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: autos; bigoil; biosphere; conservation; ecology; energy; environment; gold; hydrogen; johnfelmy; kyoto; napalminthemorning; oil; opec; peakoil; pollution; science; technology
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George W. Bush will be reelected by a margin of at least ten per cent

1 posted on 07/31/2004 1:48:32 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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To: SunkenCiv

Never say,"We've gone as far as we can."


2 posted on 07/31/2004 1:52:46 PM PDT by Dallas59
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To: SunkenCiv

I'm thinking the same thing, SC. LARGE margin.


3 posted on 07/31/2004 1:52:50 PM PDT by EggsAckley (.....John Edwards: The political equivalent of breast implants.....)
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To: SunkenCiv

W had a comfortable margin in 2000 before the DUI arrest became known. Let's not count our chickens ....


4 posted on 07/31/2004 1:58:09 PM PDT by PackerBoy (Just my opinion ....)
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To: SunkenCiv

The oil age will last until replaced by the Fusion Age.


5 posted on 07/31/2004 2:03:00 PM PDT by bert (Peace is only halftime !)
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To: EggsAckley

Me, I'm for doing all we can to make that happen and not sit back an assume he will win buy a large volume. If every Freeper gets at least 10 people to get out and vote for Bush, we have a better chance. Did you hear that a poll by Newsweek has Kerry ahead now by 10 points. Of course, a Newsweeklib poll is meaningless.


6 posted on 07/31/2004 2:03:22 PM PDT by Paulus Invictus
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To: ValerieUSA
I love starting threads, and I love pingin' you. Here's an oldie:
Researchers Succeed In Fueling Up
by Jane Brooks
The principle behind fuel cells is not new-it was discovered in 1839... Basically, a fuel cell is a device-think of it as a high-tech battery-that converts the energy of a fuel (hydrogen, natural gas, etc.) and an oxidant (air or oxygen) into useable electricity... There are no moving parts and it produces little noise. Unlike traditional combustion engines that currently dominate the energy market, fuel cells do not produce any particulate matter, nitrogen or sulfur oxides; when fueled by pure hydrogen, they have only heat and water as by-products... To date, hydrogen has been the conventional fuel for a fuel cell. But practical generation and storage of hydrogen has been a problem-it's expensive and inefficient. The model developed by Gorte's team aims to get around this dilemma... Previous attempts to use hydrocarbon fuels to run a solid-oxide fuel cell failed because the electrochemical process that generates electricity caused a buildup of carbon, which ruined the cell. In a solid-oxide fuel cell, oxygen anions are transported through an oxide membrane and react with the fuel at the anode... The Penn researchers were looking for an anode material that did not result in fouling... Eventually, they settled on a composite of copper and ceria. Ceria is an important catalytic component of automotive catalysis, which is why the researchers focused on its properties... Says Gorte, "Running a car is a transient process and you've got to have a pretty big fuel cell to power it, something on the order of 50kw as opposed to a 5kw cell to power a house, for instance." ...At least one major automotive manufacturer is seriously studying this technology... Their work has generated a great deal of excitement and was touted in Nature magazine (3/16/00). Professor Gorte has been interviewed by MSNBC.
I would have used the MSNBC story, but it's on the List and I don't want FR to pull the thread. ;')
George W. Bush will be reelected by a margin of at least ten per cent

7 posted on 07/31/2004 2:05:04 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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To: PackerBoy
Yeah, what will the so-called Democrats' late hit be? The term "October Surprise" was coined in order to launch, well, an October Surprise -- the claim that Bill Casey arranged for the Iran Hostage Crisis to go on until Carter was defeated was made in order to defeat, hmm, maybe Reagan in 1984? No one bought it, except of course for the radical fringe who originated the lie. Even the newsmagazines used it to sell issues, but cut the allegations to ribbons (hotels where meetings took place not yet built when the meetings took place, etc).
8 posted on 07/31/2004 2:09:08 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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To: SunkenCiv

The end of the oil age may not be imminent within the next few years but the economic development of Asia indicates that demand for power and oil will increase geometrically. China will be a developed economy within 20-30 years with five times the population of the U.S. Many think this is too fast but remember that war-devastated Japan with only half our population, no resources, became a world economic leader in 40 years. And India is not far behind.


9 posted on 07/31/2004 2:11:54 PM PDT by Ken K (kenk)
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To: Dallas59; bert
In related articles from the same period and same online news source as this next excerpt, Yamani said, "the stone age didn't end because people ran out of stones." He then cited increases in proven reserves (20 fold since 1973), and technological developments including fuel cells. Yamani is a commoner, and his title is an honorarium from the King. He's a great deal smarter than the people for whom he used to work.
Yamani predicts oil price of $10
by Sophie Barker
Wednesday 1 November 2000
The former Saudi Arabian oil minister Sheikh Ahmed Zaki Yamani has predicted that oil prices will crash from current levels of around $30 a barrel to $10 by the end of 2001.

"I would be happy if I am wrong, but I know, as surely as ABC, that it is coming," Sheikh Yamani said in an interview in the forthcoming edition of Forbes Global magazine. His most recent comment comes almost two years after oil prices last plunged to $10. Since 1998, they have steadily risen, reaching $35 a barrel this year.

Sheikh Yamani, who played a key role in the 1973 oil crisis, forecast that the perceived shortage of oil would soon swing into a surplus once increases in both Opec and non-Opec production filter through. On Monday Opec members agreed to boost output by 500,000 barrels a day, prompting the benchmark Brent crude oil contract on London's International Petroleum Exchange to drop 62 cents to $30.52 yesterday.

The Centre for Global Energy Studies, which Sheik Yamani chairs, expects world production to increase by 1.4m barrels a day to 75.7m barrels between the third and fourth quarters this year. He argued that this will send prices crashing. Adam Sieminski, oil market strategist at Deutsche Bank, said Sheik Yamani's prediction was "possible". He said: "You would have to see the global economy slowing down enough to curtail demand."

Deutsche Bank has predicted that crude oil prices will plummet to a relatively modest $20 a barrel by the second half of next year, as Opec countries are forced to cut production to avoid a price crash.

10 posted on 07/31/2004 2:19:35 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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To: SunkenCiv

The "Oil Age" as referred to will probably meet an untimely death when Israel nukes the Iranians.


11 posted on 07/31/2004 2:24:37 PM PDT by TommyDale ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." --Hillary Clinton)
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To: SunkenCiv

"How Long Will the Oil Age Last?"

Oh until about the time scientists have tinkered with dinosaur DNA and bring them back from extinction then they'll convert Dino-poop into synthetic fuel for vehicles to run on. I know, you laugh now but....strangers things have happened, like M.Moore winning an Oscar. (rolls eyes)


LOL


12 posted on 07/31/2004 2:29:32 PM PDT by SunnySide
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To: SunkenCiv

Peak Oil says we are going over the cliff at full speed in 3 to 13 years; it's too late already to do anything substantive about it. Well, that was 6 months ago, so it is now 2-1/2 to 12-1/2 years to go. The Club of Rome is resisting the idea of developing outer space. They want us to fail.


13 posted on 07/31/2004 2:31:15 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: SunkenCiv

During the Age of Oil, the pumps are pumping as fast as they can. G_d put that oil there for a reason.

Next, as the Earth turns on its axis, when all the oil has been pumped out, we will enter the Age of Squeek.


14 posted on 07/31/2004 2:31:51 PM PDT by TomGuy (After 20 years in the Senate, all Kerry has to run on is 4 months of service in Viet Nam.)
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To: Ken K
Somewhere around here I saw a recent article about a South African developed process (one that originated in WWII era Germany which developed synfuels to support its aggression) which can make gasoline or diesel fuel from coal. China has a bunch of coal, and purchased three of the plants, with a view to cutting imports. That would be a sound idea for the US. It might also be a sound idea for Canada, which has a lot of oil sands in Alberta (equivalent of 2.5 trillion barrels of oil).
Coalbed Methane:
The Future of U.S. Natural Gas?

by Lisa M. Pinsker
Geotimes Nov 2002
Speaking to congressional staffers at a briefing on Sept. 20, Rebecca Watson, assistant secretary for land and minerals management at the Department of the Interior, said that coalbed methane is the best source of energy to meet U.S. natural gas demand over the next five to six years... Hydraulic fracturing is necessary in order to extract natural gas from coalbeds... Coalbed methane is the natural gas that lies trapped in coal seams at shallow depths... Coal acts like a sponge, storing six times the volume of natural gas found in conventional reservoirs, Leahy explained... As of 2000, coalbed methane accounted for 7 percent of the total U.S. natural gas production. Recent estimates put it at 9 percent of total U.S. natural gas production. The San Juan Basin in Colorado is the world’s most prolific coalbed play... Conservative estimates put about 700 trillion cubic feet of coalbed methane in place in the United States, of which 100 trillion cubic feet are economically recoverable with existing technology. Annual U.S. production now exceeds 1.25 trillion feet... With the rising natural gas demand, Stark said that the country will need to reach a target of 162 trillion cubic feet of natural gas by the year 2020... According to the EPA draft report released on Aug. 28, underground sources of drinking water are safe from fracturing in coalbed methane wells; the effects of hydraulic fracturing are small and do not merit further study. Despite the fracturing of thousands of coalbed methane wells each year, the report found no cases of drinking water wells contaminated by coalbed methane hydraulic fracturing. To generate methane, coal must lie at least 200 feet below the surface and must be below the water table because the water acts to trap the gas... "In a million wells that have been hydraulically fractured over the years, not one has proven harmful to groundwater," said Christina Hansen of the Interstate Oil and Gas Compact Commission at a U.S. Geological Survey (USGS) congressional briefing in September.

15 posted on 07/31/2004 2:32:50 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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Iran makes giant new oil find
by Paul Hughes
July 14, 2003
Iran has made a major new oil find containing estimated reserves of more than 38 billion barrels, making it one of the world's biggest undeveloped fields, a senior oil official was quoted as saying on Monday... Khamoushi said preliminary studies indicated that the Ferdows field contained 30.6 billion barrels, the Mound field 6.63 billion and the Zagheh field 1.3 billion... The crude is of high density, making it less valuable on world markets than most of Iran's 90 billion barrels of proven reserves. Commercially recoverable reserves are certain to prove much less than the 38 billion barrels in place, but the find could still rival the world's two other leading undeveloped fields.

16 posted on 07/31/2004 2:35:37 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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To: SunkenCiv

The idea behind Peak Oil, or Peak Easy, is not that we will run out, but that oil will become so expensive to produce that the economy will wind down considerably. This will not be a benign event, not here and especially not in the rest of the world. We are in trouble, but they are in such trouble as cannot be imagined.


17 posted on 07/31/2004 2:37:51 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: RightWhale
During the OPEC-engineered oil embargo in the early 1970s (and the subsequent worldwide recession that resulted from it) the E-flag and ZPG zealots claimed (again) that oil and natural gas would run out within a couple of decades at most, meaning that we've been out of oil for ten years. ;')
18 posted on 07/31/2004 2:38:01 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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To: SunkenCiv

Peak Oil theory is well developed. Understanding will take time. 2-1/2 to 12-1/2 years ought to make the theory clear to everyone.


19 posted on 07/31/2004 2:42:28 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: TomGuy; ValerieUSA
Giving society cheap, abundant energy would be the equivalent of giving an idiot child a machine gun." Dr. Paul Ehrlich - Stanford Professor of Biology

20 posted on 07/31/2004 2:43:17 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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