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1 posted on 07/28/2004 1:30:18 PM PDT by oldtimer2
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As easy as it is to say that we can't abide the president because of the gulf between what he espouses and what he actually does , what haunts me is the possibility that we can't abide him because of us—because of the gulf between his will and our willingness. What haunts me is the possibility that we have become so accustomed to ambiguity and inaction in the face of evil that we find his call for decisive action an insult to our sense of nuance and proportion.
2 posted on 07/28/2004 1:33:40 PM PDT by gilliam
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It is chilling. He may have found the Damascus road, the wolf is coming at the door, and if Bush is gone, we will have Kerry who will not cry wolf, but "lets try appeasement".


3 posted on 07/28/2004 1:36:34 PM PDT by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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Nice.


7 posted on 07/28/2004 1:39:16 PM PDT by Josh in PA
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bump for later


11 posted on 07/28/2004 1:41:11 PM PDT by marvlus
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We were attacked three years ago, without warning or predicate event. The attack was not a gesture of heroic resistance nor the offshoot of some bright utopian resolve, but the very flower of a movement that delights in the potential for martyrdom expressed in the squalls of the newly born. It is a movement that is about death—that honors death, that loves death, that fetishizes death, that worships death, that seeks to accomplish death wherever it can, on a scale both intimate and global—and if it does not warrant the expenditure of what the self-important have taken to calling "blood and treasure," then what does? Slavery? Fascism? Genocide? Let's not flatter ourselves: If we do not find it within ourselves to identify the terrorism inspired by radical Islam as an unequivocal evil—and to pronounce ourselves morally superior to it—then we have lost the ability to identify any evil at all, and our democracy is not only diminished, it dissolves into the meaninglessness of privilege.

He gets that part.

12 posted on 07/28/2004 1:43:14 PM PDT by eyespysomething (Shove it John and John!)
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I read somewhere that when Hillary Clinton was on the David Letterman Show he asked her much the same question. He asked "what if twenty years from now we look back and see President Bush was right in everything he said about Iraq, terrorism and the Middle East". From what I've read Hillary didn't answer.


13 posted on 07/28/2004 1:43:32 PM PDT by Republican Red (Is that a classified document in your pants Sandy or are you just glad to see me?)
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A moment of doubt in the intellectual life of an earnest Bush-hater? He sounds like Jeff Jarvis.


15 posted on 07/28/2004 1:46:51 PM PDT by oblomov
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bump


16 posted on 07/28/2004 1:48:35 PM PDT by clintonh8r ("Just because I could.......")
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This part is so true:

" The people who dislike George W. Bush have convinced themselves that opposition to his presidency is the most compelling moral issue of the day. Well, it's not. The most compelling moral issue of the day is exactly what he says it is, when he's not saying it's gay marriage. The reason he will be difficult to unseat in November—no matter what his approval ratings are in the summer—is that his opponents operate out of the moral certainty that he is the bad guy and needs to be replaced, while he operates out of the moral certainty that terrorists are the bad guys and need to be defeated. "


17 posted on 07/28/2004 1:49:09 PM PDT by Feiny (You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.)
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An interesting article well worth a read.

In some ways the author basically seems to be considering a return to the idea of being a loyal opposition as was common among the left mainstream until fairly recently.

It is a true testament to how insane the left has become in its lust for power that this article does not even reflect the mainstream of leftist thought anymore, that now to the Left Bush is a fascist, and Islamism a phantasism merely evoked to provide Bush with a tool to advance his own power.

One would think the attacks on 9/11 would have changed such fantastical whimsy for good among the Left. And it did seem to though all to briefly.

I frankly cannot understand the level of willfull ignorance the Left wallows in, even understanding the will to power that is their primary motiviation. Cynicism and expediency are one thing, castigating the most notably anti-fascist world leader since FDR as a fascist while rushing to the defense of real fascists in the Islamic world is quite another.


18 posted on 07/28/2004 1:53:15 PM PDT by swilhelm73 (We always have been, we are, and I hope that we always shall be detested in France. -Duke Wellington)
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"What haunts me is the possibility that we have become so accustomed to ambiguity and inaction in the face of evil that we find his call for decisive action an insult to our sense of nuance and proportion."

What he has described is the Clinton Administration's approach to the President's primary responsibility: that of defending America and its constitutional republic.

Charm, appeasement, and dedication to the leaving of a "legacy" should not be considerations in our leader's decision making. President Lincoln was more concerned about the Union than about his own reelection, and his "legacy" stands on its own. Clinton, on the other hand, "fiddled" while the terrorists continued their war on America, and we had 9/11.

It's time more of the Far Left began to ask this writer's question of themselves. I don't believe that on 9/12 many of them were saying, "Gee, I wish Bill Clinton or Al Gore were our leaders today!"


20 posted on 07/28/2004 1:55:14 PM PDT by loveliberty2
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Great article, thanks for posting.


22 posted on 07/28/2004 1:55:52 PM PDT by hedgie
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That's a good read.
24 posted on 07/28/2004 1:57:15 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (Strategery - "W" plays poker with one hand and chess with the other.)
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What is fascinating about this article is that he really brings you into his inner struggle about voting for a man he truly does not like but who just might be the best man for the job.At the end of the article, I came away not knowing who he would vote for in November.
25 posted on 07/28/2004 1:57:35 PM PDT by gilliam
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here's the picture the write was refering to
26 posted on 07/28/2004 1:57:38 PM PDT by Murtyo
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Excellent read. Good find, sir!

Interesting cross-pollenization of liberal and conservative feelings there. Also of note was the ability to dissassociate simple, visceral dislike from logic.

Resist the temptation to skip parts. The whole article is very insightful. :)


27 posted on 07/28/2004 1:59:12 PM PDT by Heavyrunner (Socialize this.)
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Excellent read.

A good read is John C. Waugh's "Reelecting Lincoln - The Battle For the 1864 Presidency". Many parallels between then and now.


30 posted on 07/28/2004 2:04:09 PM PDT by wingman1 (Hey Kerry. Why the long face?)
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This is exactly the sort of liberal person we need to see more of in 14 weeks. Yes, he's probably going to have different opinions than most conservatives but he gets the big picture that terrorism and national security is the issue of today. You can't argue about jobs, stem cell research and gay marriage if you are dead. The fact that we have not suffered another attack has given us the luxury of debating these topics. The left's distaste of George Bush has clouded their conception of reality to the point they just don't get it any more and are willing to satisfy the whims of their indignation at the expense of American lives.


31 posted on 07/28/2004 2:04:21 PM PDT by misterrob
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People also forget that Winston Churchill was a man hated by millions of Brits when he became PM in May 1940.

He was seen as an upper-class swine who had stupidly sacrificed thousands of soldiers uselessly at Gallipoli, and had his cavalry ride down innocent Englishman in the streets during 1920s protests.

Oh, and he drank.

And when the War was over, they voted him out.

The G*d* 24/7 media cycle has destroyed any broad interest in a historical perspective, except the most banal superficialities.



32 posted on 07/28/2004 2:04:40 PM PDT by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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Very good article. Thanks for posting oldtimer.

Hehe I like saying that...oldtimer.

LBT

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33 posted on 07/28/2004 2:04:52 PM PDT by LiberalBassTurds (Al Qaeda needs to know we are fluent in the "dialogue of bullets.")
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