Posted on 07/27/2004 9:05:34 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
Homosexuality in Perspective. Boston: Little, Brown and Company, 1979.
Brief Description: Between 1968 and 1977, the Masters and Johnson Institute worked with 67 clients and their opposite-sex partners who came to them for the treatment of "homosexual dissatisfaction."
Stated Goal of Therapy/Treatment:
Conversion or reversion to heterosexuality. enabling clients to function heterosexually, so they can then choose how they want to live. No specific attempt was made to reduce or eliminate homosexual behaviour, desires or fantasies...
Length of Treatment:
2 weeks, with daily therapy sessioons.
... At the time of publication, follow-up ranged from 1 to 5 years. While the goal was a five year follow-up, some clients had only been treated within the past five years(pp. 400-401).
Clients who successfully completed treatment without returning to homosexuality or being "lost to follow-up":
23 males, and 6 females, a total of 29 out of 67 original clients.
**Minimum Final Success Rate: 43.2%**: Clients who successfully completed treatment without returning to homosexuality or being "lost to follow-up".
Cross References: Nicolosi# 10 HAFS# 1-3
Reviewed and Critiqued in: Diamant 1987, Fine 1987, Gonsiorek 1981, Haldeman 1991, Haldeman 10994, Harry 1984.
(Excerpt) Read more at newdirection.ca ...
wasnt there research done by a doctor on this? he found that when you treat the other symptoms of a homosexual person (male or female) that in most cases, the homosexuality goes away? this was almost 2 weeks since i recall seeing anything about it, its lost in my posts way down... but i do recall the statements.
Despite all the pressure from power gays and tastemakers pushing them the other way?
I would guess a very tiny fraction of 1% of people are born with Progeria, but that doesn't make them an acceptable subject of denigration.
The 30 - 50% number is about the same or better as success rates for treatment of other types of 'psychological illnesses' e.g. alcoholism, obesity.
Note my tagline. The "gay" agenda is not "here to stay". It is only here because conservatives have been asleep at the wheel too long.
The homosexual agenda advocates are pushing for radical social change, not tolerance. Plus, they don't tolerate conservative values. Look at Europe - there's a Swedish pastor in jail as I write, for mentioning that homosexuality is immoral, during a sermon.
They don't tolerate us, and they don't want *just* tolerance. They want dominance. AND - they want our kids.
You must be seriously misinformed.
Check this link and read about what homosexuals do, why it affects everyone, and what their stated plans are.
Homosexual Agenda Categorical Index of Links
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1026551/posts?page=58
There are thousands who have left homosexuality.
Persons protecting themselves by rationalizing are interested not in finding the truth, but in maintaining the illusion that allows them to continue their behavior. For them to succeed in this, everyone must accede to their rationalization. This is why revolutionary change is required. The necessity for self-justification requires the complicity of the whole culture. Holdouts cannot be tolerated because they are potential rebukes. The self-hatred, anger, and guilt that a person possessed of a functioning conscience would normally feel from doing wrong are redirected by the rationalization and projected upon society as a whole (if the society is healthy), or upon those in society who do not accept the rationalization.
(Emphasis added.)
That's the driver right there, and the reason why our libertarian friends are so wrong when they say it's about freedom. It would be about freedom if gays were campaigning for toleration and quiet acceptance. But that is not what is at stake any more, and it hasn't been since Kirk and Madsen wrote their program.
I just want to note that you signed up on FR today, and this is your first post.
I am giving you the benefit of the doubt, that you are just ill-informed about the "gay" agenda. So why not educate yourself?
The liberal bait-line is the conservatives are obsessed with homosexuals. It's the other way around. If they kept what they do out of sight, no problem. Or very little problem. But they are out to change the world to suit them.
They are the ones obsessed with homosexuality, not conservatives.
It isn't denigration to say that objectively disordered behavior is bad for you and bad for society. Compare pyromania, not progeria or handedness. We have major disease vectors involved here, and that's just the epidemiological aspect of it.
Would that it were indeed "objectively disordered". It's not.
Let's get real people.....
....guess what? Gays are here. They are not going away....
This is old news.
Hmmmmmm.
Well, for openers, we have a time-urgent situation stemming from the lawsuits being filed in federal courts right now in several States , which demand that the States recognize so-called "marriages" made in Massachusetts in consequence of what I think was a back-room called play connived at between gay advocates and the judges of the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court, who deliberately timed the effect of their ruling to preclude any action by the People of Massachusetts to defend the definition of marriage at the constitutional level -- the only possible defense against a political finding by the SJC.
The federal suits invoke the Full Faith and Credit clause of Article IV of the United States Constitution, and they demand that the courts of the United States compel the States to recognize homosexual liaisons legalized as "marriage" in Massachusetts as the full moral and legal equivalent of marriage, a notion demonstrably repugnant to the Peoples of the several States. This has been a goal of the gay movement since......at least the 1980's.
To oppose this legal initiative effectively, action is required now to define something whose definition gays are challenging in friendly, well-shopped forums. To defend the People and ensure that the wishes of the majority remain law, and that the will of a supremely wilful minority cabal not embarrass us before the world, it is necessary to act promptly to meet this challenge.
There have been different solutions suggested: legislating to circumscribe the jurisdiction of the Courts, legislating further clarifications of the Full Faith and Credit clause, and amending the Constitution itself to do both. Which one do you favor?
"Sin" isn't the only approach to the problem, and in fact doesn't work at all with secularists. I so agree with the background checks - invasive adults, dominant or neglectful parents, there always seems to be something in a homosexual's life that explains the "why".
And I think sexology has been pretty objective, usually. Insert Tab A into Slot B applies here.
Why do you think not?
Because despite your best efforts to convince people otherwise, the only ones holding onto that "homosexuality is a mental disorder" canard are as outdated and disproven, though no less fervent, as those who held onto the geocentric theory of the solar system.
I wouldn't call that normal either. I'm not sure I would put it in the same category as abnormal, because you are less likely to become infected by the germs in someone else's mouth than the germs in their anus. Additionally, you are less likely to tear membranes in their mouth that can lead to a dangerous infection than you can in their rectum. There's also the question of whether someone who is normal would want you to stick your penis in their mouth.
Shalom.
And we know this is true, lentulus, because td has told us so. We are outdated because he says so. Our beliefs are disproven because he has told us so.
Oddly enough, when Copernicus disproved the geocentric theory of the solar system, he provided mathematics to prove his position.
Don't ask for proof that homosexuality is not a mental disorder, though. Proof isn't necessary. The thousands of years of history where homosexality was recognized as a mental disorder don't require proof before changing that belief. In fact, you are required to prove that they were right for all those centuries, not the people claiming they were wrong.
Shalom.
Its funny how that there has been absolutely no conclusive proof as to homosexuality being "genetic" yet the theory of homosexuality being "genetically" based and that gays are "born that way" is touted as being "set in stone."
"that settles it then. " "Fifty percent of homosexuals must be faking it."
Well then, the smokers who desperately want to quit smoking must be faking it, as you say these homosexuals who were dissatisfied with their lifestyle, came to M&J to be converted, of which 43.2% were successfully converted/reconverted, were faking it.
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