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Eating our own...Time to make a new start in Free Republic.
7-26-04 | Bob J

Posted on 07/26/2004 7:41:11 PM PDT by Bob J

The last few months I've seen an increasing trend for FReepers to start going for each others jugular. Sometimes we forget (I've certainly done it myself) that in the grand scheme of things, we are on the same team. We may disagree on priorities or how far we are willing to go, but we have enough enemy in the left without creating more amongst ourselves. We can disagree but be civil to each other. We can debate nuance, but not believe that our personal positions are more important than the health of the whole. Let's argue vigorously but remind ourselves the guy whose trachia we are ripping out today may be sitting next to us in a foxhole tommorrow.

I'm going to propose that we all make a new start. Let's put all past differences behind us and resolve to band together and fight the good fight, the elimination of liberalism as a significant culturual influence in America...and see that to its end in our lifetimes.

If you agree, please post your thoughts and ping your lists and your friends to this thread.


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To: SandyInSeattle
I find it helpful, before I hit POST on an angry retort, to check the person's latest posts. That can tell you alot about whether or not it would be worth your time to try to debate.

Well in that case, thanks for posting ;-)

Seriously, though, that approach can be somewhat ambiguous. They could always claim that the majority of their posts are so belligerent because they're intended to target what they consider to be unintelligent and anticonservative posts. On the other hand, a page full of unflattering comments from fellow freepers, available for all to see, would probably take a few of them down a peg or two.

I'm basing this on the assumption that most sane freepers (such as yourself, based on your comments) tend to avoid these types. As a result, threads with them on it usually feature only them, their small little band of cheerleaders, and those hardy souls that wish to go head to head with them and deal with their abuse. That makes it look like their numbers are stronger than they actually are. Having a feedback page can change that perception to something a little closer to reality.

881 posted on 07/29/2004 4:39:25 PM PDT by inquest (Judges are given the power to decide cases, not to decide law)
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To: VaBthang4

That's quite a home page - great job!

Your hostility towards libertarians wears a little thin, however.


882 posted on 07/29/2004 4:43:56 PM PDT by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: Bob J

Never fear. Help is on the way.;-)


883 posted on 07/29/2004 8:37:33 PM PDT by auboy (John Kerry is filming a reenactment of the Boston Tea Party… he served in Boston, you know.)
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To: Bob J

Bob it depends on what you mean when you allude to the 'good of the whole, as opposed to the individual'. that is collectivism. truth comes from God and truth does not change. Liberty and freedom can only exist when we have a Godly people. So when many in the GOP continue to slide to the left and become basically liberal socialists, of course the people on the right arent going to crouch down and accept it, so as not to 'hurt anyones feelings'.


Conservative Christian Constitutional principles come above any party and above any political candidate. if a party or candidate caves in, compromises or betrays the principles conservatifes believe in, we don't ''go along for the ride''.


so that is why you have people who are unprincipled attempting to bash, belittle and insult those who stick to righteousness.


the truth is, there is no united front except if it is based in truth- the morality and liberty that is bestowed upon us by God. without that, you have nothing. so i will not support rino candidates who destroy our party by supporting evil and wickedness.


884 posted on 07/30/2004 2:35:40 AM PDT by MindFire
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To: Bob J

I agree with you 100%


885 posted on 07/30/2004 5:12:37 PM PDT by navygal (God loves all sinners, just not the sin.)
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To: headsonpikes
"Your hostility towards libertarians wears a little thin, however."

I got a right to be hostile, my people been persecuted.

886 posted on 07/30/2004 8:19:34 PM PDT by VaBthang4 ("He Who Watches Over Israel Will Neither Slumber Nor Sleep")
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To: VaBthang4

LOL! Reparations for the persecuted Thangs!

No justice - no peace!

;^)





887 posted on 07/31/2004 6:57:15 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: roylene
Ditto.

If you can't stand the heat highlight freerepublic on your "favorites" and hit delete.
888 posted on 07/31/2004 6:08:53 PM PDT by not2worry
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To: Bob J
All your jugular are belong to us.

-PJ

889 posted on 07/31/2004 6:12:23 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: ApesForEvolution

While I'd love to promote my campaign, I'd just rather not do it here. No telling what the anti-third-party contingent here would do...


890 posted on 07/31/2004 6:40:45 PM PDT by The Libertarian Dude (Why, if we can just pass a few more laws, we can ALL be criminals! - J.R. "Bob" Dobbs)
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To: ApesForEvolution

Libertarianism has never "had a chance" because, in part, of the two-party-only mentality and the roadblocks put up by those two parties. Although Republicans seem eager to get Nader some votes...

I will admit, however, part of the problem is due to the LP platform. It does need tweaking. Even with those, it's still a hard sell, because people in general - especially the gullible leftists - have been brainwashed into believing there ARE no solutions unless they come from Washington, D.C. And there are those on the right that look at it in a similar vein. Between Hillary's "it takes a village" and the conservative mantra of "no man is an island", it's no wonder our lives will only be *more* controlled, not less. It's a brave new world.

The general philosophy of libertarianism is so alien, see above, that the average person automatically panics and wonders how they'd ever survive with even the loss of ONE government program, let alone most of them.


891 posted on 07/31/2004 6:46:42 PM PDT by The Libertarian Dude (Why, if we can just pass a few more laws, we can ALL be criminals! - J.R. "Bob" Dobbs)
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To: The Libertarian Dude
...because people in general - especially the gullible leftists - have been brainwashed into believing there ARE no solutions unless they come from Washington, D.C.

That, of course is a gross overstatement of what Democrats believe. The extreme left of the Democratic Party will assert that only a select few intellectuals should call the shots and whether they hail from Harvard, MIT or UC-Berkeley is important and the hell with the Beltway Boobs. Democratic Leadership in the Congress will assert that there is a good cause for government programs and that is true.

And there are those on the right that look at it in a similar vein. Between Hillary's "it takes a village" and the conservative mantra of "no man is an island", it's no wonder our lives will only be *more* controlled, not less. It's a brave new world.

You don't seem to really know what a conservative is. You've pegged Hillary correctly but conservatives are far more independent than you project. "No man is an island is a liberal notion, not conservative.

Just curious but how old are you and if you are running for office how have you managed to get it so confused?

892 posted on 07/31/2004 6:58:46 PM PDT by harrowup (Just naturally perfect and humble of course)
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To: harrowup

My use of the phrase, "no man is an island", was based on having seen it used by people on the right side of the spectrum, usually in reference to advocating behavior-control laws.

It's also been my observation that - okay, SOME - conservatives look at Americans as unruly children, much in the same way liberals do. The difference is how each side wants to make them conform to their standards. For instance, there's a guy over on Hannity's forums that thinks we can arrest our way back to an Ozzie & Harriet kind of America, and he can't be the only one.

And, for the record: I'm on the knife's edge of being 41 years of age, and my campaign is focused mostly on eminent domain and forfeiture abuse, reforming family services to cut down on frivolous "revenge" charges (usually made by angry ex-spouses), and replacing the tax structure with the national retail sales tax.

What you read here, doesn't make it out on the campaign trail, unless I meet a kindred spirit along the way.


893 posted on 07/31/2004 7:15:30 PM PDT by The Libertarian Dude (Why, if we can just pass a few more laws, we can ALL be criminals! - J.R. "Bob" Dobbs)
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To: The Libertarian Dude
Thanks for your reply. Society requires compromises. Those of us on the left think we have a responsibility to share with our neighbors in need and those on the right think those in need should pick up and work it out. Somewhere in between we manage to get along. We have laws to make life a touch easier. Some behaviors don't make life easier. Society needs rules to postpone chaos. Some of the rules we make are unfair and some are over used and abused. The exceptions are always newsworthy, but I just can't think of any right now.

What you read here, doesn't make it out on the campaign trail, unless I meet a kindred spirit along the way.

Sorry, I don't understand and I realize I'm too tired to think straight.

894 posted on 07/31/2004 7:39:08 PM PDT by harrowup (Just naturally perfect and humble of course)
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To: harrowup

I agree: We need SOME laws and rules, not huge steaming piles of them.

And to clarify... I mean, when I post stuff here, it's not what I say to the average Joes I talk to on the campaign trail. I vent here, and in person with those who refuse to believe that empty-suited, Tasseled Loafer Thugs can run my life better than they can.


895 posted on 07/31/2004 8:31:43 PM PDT by The Libertarian Dude (Why, if we can just pass a few more laws, we can ALL be criminals! - J.R. "Bob" Dobbs)
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To: Bob J
I'd like to publicly thank you for starting this topic, and for the email. Thanks, Bob.

Another ridiculous criticism, in my view, is about the font I usually use here. It's called "comic sans ms", it isn't in boldface (except for titles, authors, dates, that kind of thing, the same kind one finds in message one of every FR thread), it isn't all caps, and it isn't sized up. I'm simply not interested in anyone's opinion about how it causes eye cancer or high blood pressure or anything else. :')

896 posted on 07/31/2004 11:51:26 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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To: Bob J

kumbahhhhyahhhh mah lawd, kumbahhhyahhh...

noble in principle, and I laud your intent, but I suspect it will have little salutory effect.


897 posted on 08/01/2004 11:26:04 AM PDT by King Prout ("Thou has been found guilty and convicted of malum zambonifactum most foul... REPENT!)
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To: VaBthang4

Another Saturday night at home?


898 posted on 08/01/2004 12:18:23 PM PDT by jmc813 (Help save a life - www.marrow.org)
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To: The Libertarian Dude
I will admit, however, part of the problem is due to the LP platform. It does need tweaking.

How do you 'tweak':

Same sex / any sex marriage
Open borders
Legalized drugs
End of war on terrorism?

900 posted on 08/02/2004 12:23:45 PM PDT by cinFLA
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