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Homosexual Activity Among Animals Stirs Debate
National Geographic News ^ | July 23, 2004 | James Owen

Posted on 07/24/2004 2:58:27 PM PDT by Cracker72

Birds do it, bees do it, even educated fleas do it. So go the lyrics penned by U.S. songwriter Cole Porter. Porter, who first hit it big in the 1920s, wouldn't risk parading his homosexuality in public. In his day "the birds and the bees" generally meant only one thing—sex between a male and female.

But, actually, some same-sex birds do do it. So do beetles, sheep, fruit bats, dolphins, and orangutans. Zoologists are discovering that homosexual and bisexual activity is not unknown within the animal kingdom.

Roy and Silo, two male chinstrap penguins at New York's Central Park Zoo have been inseparable for six years now. They display classic pair-bonding behavior—entwining of necks, mutual preening, flipper flapping, and the rest. They also have sex, while ignoring potential female mates.

Wild birds exhibit similar behavior. There are male ostriches that only court their own gender, and pairs of male flamingos that mate, build nests, and even raise foster chicks.

Filmmakers recently went in search of homosexual wild animals as part of a National Geographic Ultimate Explorer documentary about the female's role in the mating game. (The film, Girl Power, will be screened in the U.S this Saturday at 8 p.m. ET, 5 p.m PT on MSNBC TV.)

The team caught female Japanese macaques engaged in intimate acts which, if observed in humans, would be in the X-rated category.

"The homosexual behavior that goes on is completely baffling and intriguing," says National Geographic Ultimate Explorer correspondent, Mireya Mayor. "You would have thought females that want to be mated, especially over their fertile period, would be seeking out males."

Well, perhaps, in a roundabout way, they are seeking males, suggests primatologist Amy Parish.

She argues that female macaques may enhance their social position through homosexual intimacy which in turn influences breeding success. Parish says, "Taking something that's nonreproductive, like mounting another female—if it leads to control of a resource or acquisition of a resource or a good alliance partner, that could directly impact your reproductive success."

Sexual Gratification

On the other hand, they could just be enjoying themselves, suggests Paul Vasey, animal behavior professor at the University of Lethbridge, Alberta, Canada. "They're engaging in the behavior because it's gratifying sexually or it's sexually pleasurable," he says. "They just like it. It doesn't have any sort of adaptive payoff."

Matthew Grober, biology professor at Georgia State University, agrees, saying, "If [sex] wasn't fun, we wouldn't have any kids around. So I think that maybe Japanese macaques have taken the fun aspect of sex and really run with it."

The bonobo, an African ape closely related to humans, has an even bigger sexual appetite. Studies suggest 75 percent of bonobo sex is nonreproductive and that nearly all bonobos are bisexual. Frans de Waal, author of Bonobo: The Forgotten Ape, calls the species a "make love, not war" primate. He believes bonobos use sex to resolve conflicts between individuals.

Other animals appear to go through a homosexual phase before they become fully mature. For instance, male dolphin calves often form temporary sexual partnerships, which scientists believe help to establish lifelong bonds. Such sexual behavior has been documented only relatively recently. Zoologists have been accused of skirting round the subject for fear of stepping into a political minefield.

"There was a lot of hiding of what was going on, I think, because people were maybe afraid that they would get into trouble by talking about it," notes de Waal. Whether it's a good idea or not, it's hard not make comparisons between humans and other animals, especially primates. The fact that homosexuality does, after all, exist in the natural world is bound to be used against people who insist such behavior is unnatural.

In the U.S., in particular, the moral debate over this issue rages on. Many on the religious right regard homosexuality as a sin. And only this month, President Bush vowed to continue his bid to ban gay marriages after the Senate blocked the proposal.

Already, cases of animal homosexuality have been cited in successful court cases brought against states like Texas, where gay sex was, until recently, illegal.

Yet scientists say we should be wary of referring to animals when considering what's acceptable in human society. For instance, infanticide, as practiced by lions and many other animals, isn't something people, gay or straight, generally approve of in humans.

Human Homosexuality

So how far can we go in using animals to help us understand human homosexuality? Robin Dunbar is a professor of evolutionary psychology at the University of Liverpool, England. "The bottom line is that anything that happens in other primates, and particularly other apes, is likely to have strong evolutionary continuity with what happens in humans," he said.

Dunbar says the bonobo's use of homosexual activity for social bonding is a possible example, adding, "One of the main arguments for human homosexual behavior is that it helps bond male groups together, particularly where a group of individuals are dependent on each other, as they might be in hunting or warfare."

For instance, the Spartans, in ancient Greece, encouraged homosexuality among their elite troops. "They had the not unreasonable belief that individuals would stick by and make all efforts to rescue other individuals if they had a lover relationship," Dunbar added.

Another suggestion is that homosexuality is a developmental phase people go through. He said, "This is similar to the argument of play in young animals to get their brain and muscles to work effectively and together. Off the back of this, there's the possibility you can get individuals locked into this phase for the rest of their lives as a result of the social environment they grow up in."

But he adds that homosexuality doesn't necessarily have to have a function. It could be a spin-off or by-product of something else and in itself carries no evolutionary weight."

He cites sexual gratification, which encourages procreation, as an example. "An organism is designed to maximize its motivational systems," he adds.

In other words, if the urge to have sex is strong enough it may spill over into nonreproductive sex, as suggested by the actions of the bonobos and macaques. However, as Dunbar admits, there's a long way to go before the causes of homosexuality in humans are fully understood.

He said, "Nobody's really investigated this issue thoroughly, because it's so politically sensitive. It's fair to say all possibilities are still open."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: animals; demonofhomosexuality; demonpossessedbirds; demonpossessedbugs; dumbanimals; exorcismneeded; fromthepitofhell; gay; gerbils; homosexualagenda; homosexuality; nature; needtobeexorcised; satancontrolsthem; sinfulfallenworld; spiritualdarkness; underdemonicinflnce
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To: cyborg
"I had a bisexual chicken."

Did you have to buy it dinner and a few drinks first?

:-)

21 posted on 07/24/2004 3:27:50 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Sin Patria, pero sin amo)
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To: Cracker72

22 posted on 07/24/2004 3:29:36 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Sin Patria, pero sin amo)
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To: cyborg
I had a bisexual chicken.

That reminds me of a verrrrry old joke:

My uncle was raising chickens and realized that he would soon need to replace his aging rooster. When the new rooster arrived on the scene, he and the older rooster had a conversation that went something like this:

Older rooster: OK, young'un. We both know there can only be one rooster here. Let's race twice around the coop to see who's really the better rooster and he can stay.

Younger rooster: Fine. As old as you are, I'm sure to beat you.

Older rooster: Well, in that case, how about giving me a ten foot head start?

The younger rooster agrees and they start the race. Halfway through the race, just as the younger rooster is catching up with the older one, my uncle sees them and shoots the younger one. "Darn it," he says, "that's the third gay rooster I've gotten in a row."

23 posted on 07/24/2004 3:30:12 PM PDT by Bob (Sorry, I couldn't help myself.)
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To: Cracker72

I caught my bulldog listening to Broadway show tunes.


24 posted on 07/24/2004 3:30:16 PM PDT by clintonh8r ("Just because I could.......")
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To: Luis Gonzalez

hehehe he didn't that much encouragement ;-)


25 posted on 07/24/2004 3:30:20 PM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: Bob

LOL


26 posted on 07/24/2004 3:31:01 PM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: Cracker72

Well, I guess we know which species will be extinct. The ones that don't reproduce.


27 posted on 07/24/2004 3:33:10 PM PDT by Cacique
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN

Well, I suppose if somebody has enough time to sit on the porch and watch the dogs f**k, they might want to debate someone about it.


28 posted on 07/24/2004 3:37:46 PM PDT by Richard Kimball (We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men are ready to do violence on our behalf)
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To: Cracker72
Filmmakers recently went in search of homosexual wild animals as part of a National Geographic Ultimate Explorer documentary about the female's role in the mating game.

I wonder how long they had to search (the question being, 'What percentage, outside of anecdotal observation, is really homosexual?')

This ain't science, folks. It's voyeurism...

29 posted on 07/24/2004 3:39:10 PM PDT by IncPen (Proud member of the Half Vast Right Wing Conspiracy)
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To: Cracker72
Guess that's why it is "animalistic".
30 posted on 07/24/2004 3:41:37 PM PDT by BenLurkin ("A republic, if we can revive it")
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To: Cacique
The ones that don't reproduce.

But humans supposedly evolved from something - no? I'm surprised we made it at all...

31 posted on 07/24/2004 3:42:46 PM PDT by Libloather (What did he stow - and when did he stow it?)
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
Damn you, you beat me to it! LMAO :-)


32 posted on 07/24/2004 3:47:34 PM PDT by Viking2002 (Liberals cannot lead, if we refuse to follow..........)
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To: gilliam
Supposedly humans know right from wrong, animals don't.

Have you seen some of the stuff humans do?

33 posted on 07/24/2004 3:49:38 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Luis Gonzalez

I know liberals who suffer from PTPD (post traumatic poddle disorder) who would find that picture terribly...poddle (hey, you spend 4 hours in the VFW drinking Bud Light, and come home to a photo like this- what were you thinking, for crying out loud...) :)


34 posted on 07/24/2004 3:50:56 PM PDT by nicko (CW3 Ret.-"Lt., you need to just unass the AO-I know what I'm doing-that goes for you too, Major...")
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To: nicko

Was it the pink boa that got to you?

Or was it the puppy dog eyes?


35 posted on 07/24/2004 3:52:23 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Sin Patria, pero sin amo)
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN

"Homosexual Activity Among Animals Stirs Debate"

Poof was found when some dogs and cats were found decorating Bowser's doghouse with taffeta curtains and matching coasters for the coffee table.


36 posted on 07/24/2004 3:59:30 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (I want to die in my sleep like Gramps -- not yelling and screaming like those in his car)
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To: Cracker72

This c*** sounds like the stuff Hitler use to spout.


37 posted on 07/24/2004 4:02:07 PM PDT by marty60
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To: gilliam
"Many animals kill their young."

That's right.

They also defecate/urinate/mate publicly and settle their differences by attacking and biting.

There is still very broad agreement that such behavior is not allowable for people.

38 posted on 07/24/2004 4:02:53 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: Cracker72
This is a crock, as usual.

I noticed that they were never once specific about the alleged behavior, choosing instead to say things like "formed sexual bonds," "would be x-rated," "even had sex," and so on. I think most of this animal "gayness" is in the minds of the beholders, but that won't stop them from bombarding culture with fraudulent factoids and contextually distorted anecdotes ad infinitum, just because.

39 posted on 07/24/2004 4:06:34 PM PDT by Yeti
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
"This is similar to the argument of play in young animals to get their brain and muscles to work effectively and together. Off the back of this, there's the possibility you can get individuals locked into this phase for the rest of their lives as a result of the social environment they grow up in."

This argues for NOT allowing homosexuals into the elementary and middle schools. These kids have enough confusion about sex, they don't need homosexual advocates making them think that if they don't really like the opposite sex yet, that they must be homosexual. Could be they are just late bloomers and will find they like the opposite sex later on in high school or college. We shouldn't be pushing little kids into sexual activity by sexualizing EVERYTHING with which they come in contact like clothing, TV shows, etc.

40 posted on 07/24/2004 4:08:14 PM PDT by SuziQ (Bush in 2004-Because we MUST!!!)
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