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Archaeoloogists To Seek Kyrgyz Atlantis
The Washington Times ^ | 7-21-2004

Posted on 07/23/2004 3:58:10 PM PDT by blam

Archaeologists to seek Kyrgyz Atlantis

Bishkek, Kyrgyzstan, Jul. 21 (UPI) -- A Kyrgyz-Russian expedition has embarked for an ancient city covered by Lake Issyk-Kul in Kyrgyzstan, local media reported Wednesday.

Issyk-Kul, 2,250 square miles in area, is a mountain lake in the north of the country. Historians and legends tell about a disappeared island in the lake with fortifications near the north coast where Tamerlane, the Tartar conqueror in southern and western Asia and ruler of Samarkand, held noble prisoners in the 14th century, the Vecherniy Bishkek newspaper said.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: archaeologists; archaeology; atlantis; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history; koudriavtsev; kyrgyz; plato; seek

1 posted on 07/23/2004 3:58:12 PM PDT by blam
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To: SunkenCiv
GGG Ping

Lake Issyk-Kul

2 posted on 07/23/2004 4:01:40 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Kyrgyz

Pat, I'd like to buy a vowel...

3 posted on 07/23/2004 4:06:10 PM PDT by Terabitten (Father, grant me the strength to live a life worthy of those who came before me...)
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To: blam
Hey blam, I enjoy your posts. We once had our own Atlantis not far from you.

In the 1920's, a resort and gambling casino stood on the Isle of Caprice, midway between Horn and Ship Islands. All of the island's sea oats were harvested and sold to a Chicago florist to enhance floral arrangements. When a hurricane slashed through the island in 1926 there was nothing left to anchor the dunes and most of the sand washed away. Within five years all that remained of the island was a submerged sand bar. The natural forces that build up and erode away barrier islands are in such delicate balance that any impact by man can threaten their very existence.
See Gulf Islands National Seashore


When I see a post about "Archaeoloogists", I think BLAM!
4 posted on 07/23/2004 5:05:41 PM PDT by jrushing (VRWC)
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To: Tragically Single
"Kyrgyz"

"Pat, I'd like to buy a vowel..."

Okay. You got an 'A'.

Kayaragayaza

5 posted on 07/23/2004 7:49:20 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
A similar search was conducted for a medieval fortress (seems to me it was on the west shore of the Caspian) as the water level fell. It was widely doubted to have existed by the local academic community (USSR? don't recall) but was found exactly where local folklore remembered it.
6 posted on 07/23/2004 9:04:48 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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To: *Gods, Graves, Glyphs; blam; FairOpinion; farmfriend; StayAt HomeMother; SunkenCiv; 24Karet; ...
Please FREEPMAIL me if you want on or off the "Gods, Graves, Glyphs" PING list --
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7 posted on 07/24/2004 12:43:42 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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To: Tragically Single; blam

8 posted on 07/24/2004 6:08:20 AM PDT by BenLurkin ("A republic, if we can revive it")
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To: BenLurkin

Been there...


9 posted on 07/24/2004 7:15:47 AM PDT by null and void (Nurieek, rotut, hernunger...)
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To: BenLurkin
I had occasion to visit Zzyzx Springs one day in 1975 (or thereabouts). I was crewing for a friend who landed a sailplane on Soda Dry Lake, on a flight from El Mirage.

At the time, it appeared to be an abandoned resort. The property was owned by the BLM, and there was a creepy old caretaker there who never got visitors (the gate was locked, and I had to wait for him to drive out and let me in).

The guy was fascinated by the sailplane rig -- he never stopped talking while we took the glider apart and put it in the trailer. Afterwords, he gave us a brief tour around the property, and told us of all the famous people that used to visit.

The place looked like a movie set to me. There were Arabian-styled buildings with palm trees and ponds. Obviously, it had been an exotic destination at one time.

Giving "zzyzx" a quick google search, I came up with this:

The story of Zzyzx Springs is the story of Curtis Howe Springer who, in 1944, settled without a by-your-leave on 12,800 acres of Mohave desert land, on a tract about eight miles long and three wide. On it he erected a 60-room hotel, a church, a health spa with mineral baths in the shape of a cross, a castle, a radio station and several other buildings. He even constructed a private airstrip which he called Zyport. The Boulevard of Dreams, a divided parkway, led to an oasis on Lake Tuendae, which was subsequently identified as the habitat of the Mohave chub, a tiny fish on the endangered list.

Springer identified himself as a physician and a Methodist minister, but in fact he was neither. For thirty years he broadcast a daily religious and health program from a radio studio at Zzyzx Springs which was carried, at its peak, by 221 stations in the United States and 102 more in other countries. On the air he played religious music and preached folksy religious philosophy. He urged his listeners to send him donations for miraculous cures for minor ailments as well as illnesses as serious as cancer. He claimed he could restore hair and rejuvenate body cells. His magic potions (concoctions of celery, carrot and parsley juice) were shipped to all fifty states and overseas.

Retirees gave Springer their life savings for the privilege of staying in spartan quarters at the ranch. Vacationers stayed at the hotel for a few days at a time to enjoy the waters. In fact, at least one Word Ways author, Harry Partridge, once visited Zzyzx Springs. He wrote in the May 1988 Word Ways

Zzyzx Hot Springs turned out to be some sort of retreat run by a fundamentalist preacher who had simply appropriated government land and some buildings, added others, and used the site as a place for his followers from Los Angeles to come and meditate, eat healthful food, and abstain from the fruit of the vine and the distillations of barley, corn, agave, and sundry other raw materials which, when chemically processed, became mind-altering substances. The most interesting artifact that graced this staid caravanserai was a mechanical exercise-horse that had once adorned the Calvin Coolidge White House.

These enterprises thrived from 1944 until 1974, when federal marshals finally arrested him for alleged violations of food and drug laws and unauthorized use of federal land. Zzyzx Springs and all the improvements were confiscated by the Bureau of Land Management, and Springer was found guilty and spent a few months in jail. He died in Las Vegas in 1986 at the age of 90.

Since 1976 Zzyzx Springs, now simply known as Zzyzx, has functioned as the Desert Studies Center, a teaching and research station administered by the California State University system. The university has free use of the land and facilities under a 25-year cooperative management agreement with the Bureau of Land Management.

Scientists from the university's 20 campuses, as well as from other educational institutions, come to the Desert Studies Center to do research. For example, NASA and Jet Propulsion Laboratory scientists are conducting satellite imagery studies. University classes make field trips there, and every weekend from October through May special desert-related extension programs convene. Administered by the San Bernardino branch (the closest of the state campuses), each session is devoted to a specific topic, such as historical campsites along the Old Spanish Trail. In all, upwards of three thousand scientists, researchers, students and others use the Center each year.

And the name Zzyzx? Pronounced "Zeye-zix" with the accent on the first syllable, it was made up by Springer, who claimed that it was the last word in the English language. It (along with Zzyzx Spring, the associated hydrologic feature) was approved as a place name by the United States Board on Geographic Names on 14 Jun 1984:

Zzyzx: locality, between Soda Mountains and Soda Lake 12.1 km (7.5 mi) NE of Crucero; San Bernardino Co., Calif.; sec. 11, T 12 N, R 8 E, San Bernardino Mer.; 35°08'34" N, 116°06'14" W.

Zzyzx Spring: spring, between Soda Mountains and Soda Lake 11.9 km (7.4 mi) NE of Crucero; San Bernardino Co., Calif.; sec. 11, T 12 N, R 8 E, San Bernardino Mer.; 35°08'10" N, 116°06'10" W.

More than you ever wanted to know about Zzyzx!

:)

10 posted on 07/24/2004 7:25:04 AM PDT by forsnax5 (The greatest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place.)
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To: forsnax5

Actually - that is very interesting.

Have seen the sign for years on the road to Vegas and wondered about it.

Can't ever talk Mrs. Lurkin into diverting to Zzyzx, Pahrump, Searchlight or even Calico ghost town.

But then, I don't try too hard either.


11 posted on 07/24/2004 8:08:23 AM PDT by BenLurkin ("A republic, if we can revive it")
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To: forsnax5

Then there is XYZZY.


Plover!


12 posted on 07/24/2004 8:27:03 AM PDT by Conan the Librarian (I am a Librarian. I don't know anything....I just know where to look it up.)
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To: Tragically Single
Pat, I'd like to buy a vowel...

Actually, there are already 2 vowels in that word - y. Remember, a-e-i-o-u and SOMETIMES y?

The country is pronounced Cur-jeez. The daughter of a friend of mine lived there with the Peace Corps for 2 years. Now she lives in NYC. I think it probably takes a stint in Kyrgyz to prepare a mid-western girl for life in NYC! LOL

It's a very interesting country. My friend's daughter speaks the language -- not a skill you find in your ordinary Berlitz school.

13 posted on 07/24/2004 2:10:56 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic (Re-elect Dubya)
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To: Tragically Single; blam
BTW, my friend visited her daughter in Kyrgyz and told all about a banquet that the townspeople gave in their honor. They were all loaded into an old car with very bad tires and taken far out into the countryside. Upon arrival, the men built a fire. The they opened the trunk of the car and pulled out a live goat that had been tied inside the whole trip, unbeknownst to my friend. They slaughtered it with a long knife and proceeded to roast it and prepare a feast.

Some of the men of the village put on a show on horseback where they galloped back and forth (sort of like polo) but they used an animal's head instead of a puck -- or whatever they call it in polo. Ewwweeew! They are excellent horsement. They are probably descended from Attila! Or one of the Khans. Or all of the above.

14 posted on 07/24/2004 2:19:45 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic (Re-elect Dubya)
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To: blam

A city, maybe. Atlantis, nah!


15 posted on 07/24/2004 2:23:29 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: Tragically Single

"Kyrgyz

Pat, I'd like to buy a vowel..."


hahahahaha I was thinking EXACTLY the same thing!


16 posted on 07/24/2004 2:26:07 PM PDT by Lord_Baltar
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To: BenLurkin

I've driven over to Vegas from LA twice in the past 6 months, and the sign is definitely there. In fact, it's a "major" (if anything along that stretch of the 15 can be so termed) off ramp on the 15. The off ramp doesn't look like it has any reason for being there. I have always wondered what all those trees were doing out there in the middle of nothing.


17 posted on 07/24/2004 2:28:04 PM PDT by Ironclad
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To: forsnax5
Zzyzx, the map.

Zzyzx even had a railroad, the Tonopah & Tidewater. But it was torn up right after WW II started. Looks like the airstrip was built atop the old railroad grade.

18 posted on 07/24/2004 2:32:07 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: afraidfortherepublic; BenLurkin; blam; Conan the Librarian; Duke Nukum; ForGod'sSake; forsnax5; ...
A newer thread, same topic, different source:
Archaeologists to seek Kyrgyz Atlantis
Big News Network.com ^ | Saturday 31st July, 2004 | Editorial Staff
Posted on 07/30/2004 8:53:01 PM PDT by vannrox
Thanks FGS for pointing me here.
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19 posted on 07/31/2004 10:03:06 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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