Sandy Berger, and TWA 800

7/23/04 | Philosofy123

[philosofy123]

I know it is late afternoon on Friday for me to get a good response to this posting, however, I am constantly thinking that the US government should come clean, and admit that they lied to us about the shoulder to air missile that hit the TWA flight 800 in the NYC harbor.

I do appreciate that they lied to protect the flying public from panicking, however, after 9/11, and after the wall to wall public education regarding fanatic Islam, it would not be harmful to day to admit the truth.

Please let me know your views?

[G.Mason]

I don't appreciate that they lied to protect the flying public ... period!

I don't like that they lied to us about JFKs' assasination!

In fact I don't like liars ... period!

[Zavien Doombringer]

Specifications Primary function To provide close-in, surface-to-air weapons for the defense of forward combat areas, vital areas and installations against low altitude air attacks. Manufacturer Prime - Hughes Missile System Company Missile - General Dynamics /Raytheon Corporation Propulsion Dual thrust solid fuel rocket motor

Length 5 feet (1.5 meters)

Width 5.5 inches (13.96 centimeters)

Weight 12.5 pounds (5.68 kilograms)

Weight fully armed 34.5 pounds (15.66 kg)

Maximum system span 3.6 inches (9.14 cm)

Range 1 to 8 kilometers

Sight ring 10 mils

Fuzing Penetration, impact, self destruct

Ceiling 10,000 feet (3.046 kilometers) High enough to hit Flight 800

Speed Supersonic in flight

USMC Units Low-Altitude Air Defense (LAAD) Battalions: 3

active duty, 2 reserve

Crew 2 enlisted

Guidance system Fire-and-forget passive infrared seeker Warheads High explosive

Rate of fire 1 missile every 3 to 7 seconds

Type of fire "Fire-and-Forget"

Sensors Passive infrared

Introduction date 1987

Full-rate production 3QFY94 Unit Replacement Cost $38,000

Total program cost (TY$) 1060 systems $7281M

Average unit cost (TY$) $6M

Inventory ~13,400 missiles

[dirtboy]

When I was in uniform, the max altitude of the C version was listed as 3 miles.

Altitude or range? I've seen the range listed as three miles.

[philosofy123]

I have the same theory. However, I cannot explain why W Bush chooses to cover up for Clinton, instead of uncovering this news and put Clinton in the can?

[Servant of the 9]

Flight 800 was 2.45 miles up, an FIM-92C stinger can reach 3 miles.
An SA-14/16/18 family missile can reach 3.5 miles as far as is known.

True only if you are shooting at a stationary object at that altitude.
Operational altitude, that at which a missile can make an intercept on a moving aircraft is much lower.

So9

[Darksheare]

A helicopter unit training that night got a presidential "shut up" order from Bubba about it as well.
They have Aircraft Survivability Equipment (ASE) that detects missile launches and warns the pilot over the "Bitchin' Betty".
Not sure exactly how it works, I was artillery not a heckabug driver, but I remember a news interview with a pilot type and he said he thought the missile was coming at him.
After that, that unit was told to shut up, and the newsies seemed to expunge the tapeof the broadcast.

[backinthefold]

my brother in law, who is a pilot for a major airline, belives to this day that flight was shot down... he said the very next day, a missle shot it down.

[A.A. Cunningham]

Berger

[dirtboy]

Ceiling 10,000 feet (3.046 kilometers) High enough to hit Flight 800

TWA 800 was at 13,000 feet when the event happened. Try again.

I'm not opposed to the theory that TWA 800 was hit by a missile - but the theories have to mesh with the facts - and the fact is that TWA 800 was too high for a shoulder-fired missile. It would have to have been shipborne and ship-mounted.

[Darksheare]

Flight 800 was at 2.45 miles when it was hit, meaning the missile had been fired when 800 was at a lower altitude.
It was in it's climbout phase when it was taken down.

[the Deejay]

Personally, I've never bought any of the disaster reports on X42's watch. Not one.

In a hundred years from now, the truth will surface.

[Darksheare]

Altitude.
That's what we were told.

[Zavien Doombringer]

An MK-26 maybe?

[philosofy123]

Seriously, don't you think you could save the mods some work and not post everything into Activism/Chapters?

Seriously,I did not even chose the activism section, it probably comes in automatically in my setting because I am read mainly the activism section.

[VRWC_minion]

Its obvious we are not told everything about TWA800, its not so obvious what the real deal is. Missile, bomb, mechanical error.

Its also obvious that the gov't positioned itself control the release of information and that it was worried about the cause. Its not so obvious that they actually did block information.

[dirtboy]

Flight 800 was at 2.45 miles when it was hit, meaning the missile had been fired when 800 was at a lower altitude.

Stingers travel at supersonic speeds. It would have arrived within 30 seconds or so of launch. TWA 800 would not have climbed very far in that interval.

[dirtboy]

Seriously,I did not even chose the activism section, it probably comes in automatically in my setting because I am read mainly the activism section.

No, just don't select Activism/Chapters when you select Topics, unless it is a post specifically about direct activism.

[Darksheare]

Personally, metal fatigue is as much of a possibility in flight 800's downing.
Heck of alot more plausible than the NTSB's "miracle exploding center wing tank" paper.

[VRWC_minion]

my brother in law, who is a pilot for a major airline, belives to this day that flight was shot down... he said the very next day, a missle shot it down..

i sat behind some TWA pilots on a flight once and they discussed it amoung themselves as a shoot down very matter-of-fact.

[tang-soo]

I posted a thread on Thursday that illustrates how classified is supposed to be handled. The title of the thread is Details of Classified Document Handling Procedures.

bout "honest mistakes" vs premeditation. If you have already read this, please ignore.

The thread can be found here.