Posted on 07/23/2004 9:05:34 AM PDT by agenda_express
Bush Urges Blacks to Consider What Dems Have Done for Them Lately
By Susan Jones CNSNews.com Morning Editor July 23, 2004
(CNSNews.com) - President Bush came right out and asked African-Americans for their vote on Friday. In his address to the National Urban League, Bush said he understands that the "Republican Party's got a lot of work to do." And he urged Democratic voters to consider some questions.
"Does the Democratic Party take African-American voters for granted?" It's a fair question, Bush said. Do Democrats earn your vote and deserve it, he asked?
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I'd prefer to just say American; but, since everyone wants to differentiate..
*** I like to call people American :)
The marketplace and supply/demand determined my wage before. You are arguing that I was overpaid because the marketplace decided.. Care to revise your bs answer sir?
Bill Cosby will not turn his back to Hollywood.
"sorry for stuttering"
Th-th-th-that's okay...
Yes George this is what I am talking about! Now, leave the gloves off before you lose this election.
LOL! Too funny. Kerry is such a loser...
"Let me ask you something, if Coke made a fine champaign would anyone buy it? Even if it was the best champaign in the world, nobody would buy it because coke does not equal champaign in the common perception."
In the short term, not many. In the long term, it would depend on the ad campaign.
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"You can tell them the truth all you want, but it will not make any difference because it does not fit the common perception."
If I want to tell them for one campaign season, it won't make any difference. If I do it over the course of 20 seasons, it will sink in.
"So when I say that the truth doesn't matter, it is not to equate blacks with children who can't be told the truth,"
I'm not saying you're doing that, only that this is how it must be presented to them, to make them aware that they have been infantilized by the Dems over the past 40 years.
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"...it is to point out the fact that perception is indistinguishable from reality in politics."
That is certainly true, which is why I concede that it will take a long time, but not that it is impossible.
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"The most effective appeal Republicans have to the AA community is on the basis of pragmatism. THe most effective short term tactic in seperating the AA community's support of the left would be for conservatives to run as democrats and attack the left on their home turf. The logistics are formidable but the spectacle of it would be priceless."
The price you would have to pay in terms of the people who run the Democratic Party would effectively castrate you as an effective politician. The Democratic Party is run by the left now, and if you want their money and their name and their endorsements and their support, you have to do as they say. Guys like Lieberman and Zell Miller are hold-outs but they'll be gone soon. Anyone bucking the left-leadership of the party would be just a momentary blip on the political radar screen, gone and quickly forgotten.
It's only in the Republican Party where you can say such things loud and proud...
What position did you play (football)?
Guard?
Care to review your bs answer sir?
How about some manners, Havoc? People see the issue differently than you. Please knock off the attitude.
What position did you play (football)?
Guard?
If you really believe that the protectionist/free trade argument began with NAFTA, you are either very young, or very ignorant. Either way, you are not worth debating. Next.
"The marketplace and supply/demand determined my wage before. You are arguing that I was overpaid because the marketplace decided. Care to revise your bs answer sir?"
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The marketplace changed its mind. It tends to do that, dontcha know...
What's the difference between "Colored", and "Person of Color?" I really want to know.
Chinamen?
I didn't say that protectionist vs. free trade arguments began with Nafta. I think I rather stated that free trade came with nafta and nullified the system that had brought this nation to prosperity prior to it. Now we're taking it on the chin while businesses reap huge profits and we're told that going back to what we had before nafta is socialism... that was your error, not mine. The reason you say i'm not worth debating is because you had your butt handed to you in trying to exxagerate your way out of an answer. When you start debating, let us know.
No, the marketplace didn't change it's mind. You overruled it with free trade. The marketplace didn't have a say in free trade. You politiked it into play and shoved it down our throats. Your politics decided - not the marketplace. As I said before, care to revise your bs answer..
This is true, but if Bush is re-elected look for the left, particularly the anti-war left to be castrated. They will be shoved in the basement of the Democrat party like the crazy aunt that nobody talks about. Politicians always can be counted on to put power before principle.
This election could change everything!
I know the logistics would be formidable, timing, ideal candidate (a total character), and particular seat are all serious considerations. But imagine the ideal situation and the possibilities. A democrat who attacks the left can not be labeled a racist, sexist, homophobe, or for the rich. He could appeal to all those democrats, and I am convinced they are legion, who are not leftists but can't identify with the Republican party. And imagine conservatives having a viable option. But enough about my crazy ideas.
Sorry, but if your job needs to be protected by Mother Government, then it wasn't a job beneficial to the economy to begin with.
"With labor supply over seas a near endless thing, supply of labor is no longer a bargaining point. The bargaining point becomes the standard of living of the populace you are exploiting for cheap labor. This is why I say supply and demand is broken."
It isn't "broken", it's just that the rest of the world can't be excluded from this law either.
"The balancing factors for wage were supply of labor vs. supply of jobs. You'd have to run through several billion chinamen before what the local market has to say has any bearing."
If you believe that every worker on the planet is identical in his or her work ethic or skill set, then this might be true. But it's not.
"This is why jobs that a few short months ago were paying 12-15 bucks an hour are now paying 9 or less depending on where it is in the US."
Which jobs are these? Wages for clerical workers and falling as far as I can tell and I've been in this line of work for 17 years. Maybe you should look at moving into clerical/white collar work. If you can spell well, good with math, can type, and show up to work every day and get the work out, you'll be fine. IT'S TIME TO STOP WEDDING YOURSELF TO JOBS THAT DON'T PAY OR MIGHT NOT BE THERE.
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"And wages will continue to fall. I can point to two examples of this an hour away."
Please by all means point to them.
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"I think most here can."
Any takers?
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"Supply and demand is now broken. It's all now in the favor of business - period. Bring on the talking points."
Supply and demand isn't -- say again, ISN'T -- broken. You're showing that you don't even know what this law is. There is a greater supply of labor now available to an employer, thereby the demand for any particular employee who is not otherwise outstanding is reduced. That is following the law of supply and demand to the spirit and letter.
You're just saying it must be "broken" because it's not favoring you or your friends at the moment. The Law of Supply and Demand is what it is, and has nothing more to do with making sure everyone is fat and happy than the law of gravity. Sometimes you're on the upside, sometimes you're on the downside. What you're saying is like saying that because I fell and hurt myself the other day, the law of gravity must be "broken" because it should always work in my favor and never cause me to get hurt.
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Now bring on YOUR "talking points".
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