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Hating America
The Hudson Review ^ | Spring 2004 | Bruce Bawer

Posted on 07/23/2004 4:45:21 AM PDT by BluegrassScholar

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The author throws a couple of curveballs, but draws some interesting conclusions that Western European media is helping fuel the anti-Americanism pervading Europe.
1 posted on 07/23/2004 4:45:22 AM PDT by BluegrassScholar
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To: BluegrassScholar
Originally posted here...

...and also here.

2 posted on 07/23/2004 4:50:18 AM PDT by Physicist
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No, Europeans weren’t Bible-thumpers—but the Continent’s ever-growing Muslim population, I had come to realize, represented even more of a threat to pluralist democracy than fundamentalist Christians did in the U.S

This quote was a doozy, LOL!

So the "Bible thumpers" are almost as great a threat as Muslims.

When's the last time a "Bible thumper" blew up a bus or beheaded somebody.

3 posted on 07/23/2004 5:03:37 AM PDT by dawn53
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the Continent’s ever-growing Muslim population, I had come to realize, represented even more of a threat to pluralist democracy than fundamentalist Christians did in the U.S.

"Fundamentalist" Christianit y poses absolutely no threat to pluralist democracy. The comparison is completely inapt and inappropriate. Not even close. If anything, it is the intolerant Left's desire to use government to impose its own moral views on the rest of society that is the danger to pluralist democracy.

4 posted on 07/23/2004 5:08:22 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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An excellent article, although it's a bit longwinded. I'll copy and save this one.


5 posted on 07/23/2004 5:44:35 AM PDT by Renfield (Philosophy chair at the University of Wallamalloo!!)
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Yes, the post 9-11 Euro-sympathy for America was a blip...anti-American sentiment was live and well under Clinton too. I recall playing a board game based on a book titled "Sophie's world" in Munich with some women in early 2000. The game similar to Trivial pursuit, is made up of cultural, philisopical and historical questions...I won!
These women were friends of my cousin and she later remarked to me that they were surprised I "knew" so much, given that I was American.
6 posted on 07/23/2004 5:47:51 AM PDT by Katya (Homo Nosce Te Ipsum)
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To: dawn53

To a very great extent, America owes its success, virtue, and foundation, to a "Bible Thumper" named John Knox. The general model of American government was inspired by that of the governing organization of the Presbyterian Church. (Moreover, most of the Patriots that fought for America in Pennsylvania, Virginia, and the Carolinas, were Presbyterians).


7 posted on 07/23/2004 5:57:16 AM PDT by Renfield (Philosophy chair at the University of Wallamalloo!!)
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To: Unam Sanctam

Don't they know, that if the muslims take over... there will certainly be NO gay marriage????

amazing the way these people think


8 posted on 07/23/2004 6:03:51 AM PDT by fhlh ("Work Harder.... Millions of people on welfare are counting on you!!!")
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To: Renfield
Like the man said, "The common man eloped with history and ran off to the US of America. Mr. Jefferson and his friends re wrote the book on politics. Rockefeller, Carnegie and Ford took it from there."


That about covers the differences between the US and Europe.
9 posted on 07/23/2004 6:12:29 AM PDT by SMARTY ('Stay together, pay the soldiers, forget everything else." Lucius Septimus Severus, to his sons)
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What I do remember about the Wall coming down is the lack of shame or contrition on the part of Western leftists who had spent decades appeasing and apologizing for Soviet Communism.

10 posted on 07/23/2004 6:52:22 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (Pseudo objective journalism is the noise and smoke brigade of the Democratic Party.)
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To: SMARTY
IMHO no treatment of the difference between the US and Europe is complete without a reference to
The Theme Is Freedom
- Religion, Politics, and the American Tradition
by M. Stanton Evans
or to
American Beliefs
by John Harmon McElroy

11 posted on 07/23/2004 7:06:06 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (Pseudo objective journalism is the noise and smoke brigade of the Democratic Party.)
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To: BluegrassScholar; headsonpikes; beyond the sea; E.G.C.; Military family member; Wolverine; ...
The big picture is that nobody likes responsibility and everyone likes authority. Criticizing people/institutions over which one has no control is a form of fantasy of authority, to which no responsibility is attached provided one is not criticizing an actual tyrant.

Thus, CNN gleefully reports every wart it can find or imagine in America, free of any responsibility actually to improve the situation or to explain why it is criticizing the powers that be. The only things CNN was not free from responsibility for were

CNN could not do the former for fear of subjecting its employees there to torture or death at the hands of Saddam's minions. CNN still cannot do the latter, on pain of having the whole rest of journalism declare that CNN is not objective. And that would be - the horror! - bad PR.
Why Broadcast Journalism is
Unnecessary and Illegitimate

12 posted on 07/23/2004 7:29:50 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (Pseudo objective journalism is the noise and smoke brigade of the Democratic Party.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

Media bias bump.


13 posted on 07/23/2004 7:32:44 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: Timesink; *CCRM; martin_fierro; reformed_democrat; Loyalist; =Intervention=; PianoMan; GOPJ; ...
The author throws a couple of curveballs, but draws some interesting conclusions that Western European media is helping fuel the anti-Americanism pervading Europe.

Media Schadenfreude and Media Shenanigans PING

FReepmail An Amused Spectator to get on/off this list (or grab the list yourself to post a PING)

14 posted on 07/23/2004 10:36:41 AM PDT by weegee (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. ~~Ronald Reagan)
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bumping for later...


15 posted on 07/23/2004 12:14:45 PM PDT by redhead (I've gone to look for myself. If I return before I get back, keep me here...)
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To: weegee
An explanation is in order as to just how and by whom two dead Kennedy's and Teddy have successfully created an Institution which is responsible for the undermining of American government and fostering the Internationalization by Elites..... ( hey Gergen you tool, I'm talking to you )


16 posted on 07/23/2004 12:36:46 PM PDT by Helms (Denationalized" Elites", hostile to America's culture, are determined to weaken it in myriad ways)
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To: BluegrassScholar

A solid piece of the type I haven't read for a while. Worth a bump.


17 posted on 07/23/2004 2:52:25 PM PDT by beckett
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To: Cannoneer No. 4; Ernest_at_the_Beach

Ping. A long one, but interesting.


18 posted on 07/28/2004 7:07:09 PM PDT by John Jorsett
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To: John Jorsett; NormsRevenge; Grampa Dave; SierraWasp; blam; RonDog; Carry_Okie; Boot Hill; ...
Thanks very , very much.

And we know where Kerry and his buddy , Ted Kennedy stand.

Elitists must rule!

I think I have another reason we invaded IRAQ; we were looking to build a new friendly country, yes, literally!
19 posted on 07/28/2004 10:17:18 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: BluegrassScholar

Bump for later.


20 posted on 07/28/2004 10:47:43 PM PDT by Bernard Marx (Is Karl Marx's grave a Communist plot?)
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