Posted on 07/22/2004 4:17:31 AM PDT by johnny7
During the 1980s, renowned radio commentator Paul Harvey said something that I’ve quoted often to my friends. Opining about various wars and upheavals — in the Middle East, Central and South America, Northern Ireland, and Cambodia — Harvey said, “Sometimes you have to laugh, just to keep from crying.”
During this election year — while the country is at war with shadowy terrorist networks, both here and abroad — Paul Harvey’s advice seems especially appropriate. Americans have already come up with various combinations of “Berger & Ketchup” to describe the relationship between former Clinton Administration national-security advisor Sandy Berger and presidential candidate Senator John Kerry (who is married to ketchup-fortune heiress Teresa Heinz-Kerry). Adding to that, I will say that Berger’s recently-abdicated title as an “informal advisor” to the Kerry campaign is starting to look a lot like the “unofficial spokesman” on the Wendy’s Hamburgers TV commercials. (Oddly, the Wendy’s theme has shown up in another of my articles about the Flight 800 mystery.)
The recent revelation by Sandy Berger that he removed highly-classified documents from the National Archives, and then “lost” them, has numerous implications during this election season. Berger was the national-security advisor to Bill Clinton, who is the most scandal-laden president in US history. Flight 800 was destroyed in mid-air during the 1996 re-election campaign of Bill Clinton. Another high-level Clinton insider — former White House chief of staff, turned ABC-TV news analyst, George Stephanopoulos — referred to the bombing of Flight 800 on the air. With that remark — and his associated description of being inside the “other situation room” in the White House at the time of the Flight 800 disaster — a direct link was made between Clinton and Flight 800. This link was, of course, overlooked by the “mainstream” news media.
So, what does this link between Bill Clinton and Flight 800 have to do with the current John Kerry presidential campaign? Well, perhaps nothing, except thatJohn Kerry also referred to Flight 800 as a terrorist incident in a televised interview. The problem is that, with the upcoming release of the final report of the “9-11” Commission, the general public will have the opportunity to refresh their memory about the link between Flight 800 and terrorism. Having spent years on the Senate Intelligence Committee, it is now impossible for Kerry to deny that he had access to information about any link between Flight 800 and terrorist acts. Therefore, if such a link is proven, then a line can be drawn between the downing of Flight 800 in 1996 and the “9-11” attacks in 2001. Again, because of his committee experience and his televised interview, Kerry cannot now distance himself from his comments about “9-11”. Follow along: if a link is made in the public’s mind between terrorism, Flight 800, Bill Clinton, John Kerry, and “9-11”, then what is the logical result? Surely, donations to the Democratic Party and to the Kerry campaign would dry up rapidly. Therefore, it is imperative to the Kerry campaign to destroy evidence of such a link. Enter: Sandy Berger. He is a person that had intimate knowledge of high-level decisions about terrorism, and access to the records of those decisions. Now, it is public knowledge that Berger has “lost” some of those documents. Were the “lost” documents related to Flight 800? The only person that knows hasn’t talked.
What is known is that there are numerous pieces of evidence that point to the involvement of a missile in the TWA Flight 800 disaster. What is known is that President Clinton issued an executive order that was targeted to silence the Navy SEALs that were on scene at the Flight 800 debris field in the Atlantic Ocean. What is known is that the FBI was very embarrassed when news of Bureau interest in missile technology became public. (Read the portion about the Teledyne fax to Dee Muma.) What is known is that the Navy SEALs are following the Flight 800 story. What is known is that there were other terrorist plots on US soil between 1996 and 2001. What is known is that the Clinton Administration ignored warnings about Operation Bojinka, and thus paved the way for the “9-11” attacks. What is known is that Clinton wanted to cover his tracks about the probable Bojinka—“9-11” link. What is known is that Berger is a close ally of both Clinton and Kerry. What is known is that Berger removed highly-classified documents from the National Archives. What is known is that those documents were related to information examined by the 9-11 Commission about the extent of terrorist operations in America prior to 11 September 2001. (operations that apparently continue today) What is known is that Bill Clinton and his ilk will do anything to gain and retain political power. And, just recently, it became known that Operation Iraqi Freedom had more justification than Kerry has admitted.
As this article is being written, a Federal appeals court is in session in Massachusetts. The topic is the secrecy over autopsy reports of the Flight 800 crash victims. As I reported last week, independent researcher and electrical engineer Graeme Sephton — vice-president of FIRO, and founding president of FOIAC — is winning so far in his lawsuit against the FBI. The suit is trying to force the Bureau to release autopsy reports, which allegedly contain proof of missile shrapnel in the bodies of Flight 800 victims. If the lawsuit is successful, then the official Clinton Administration story about Flight 800 will be blown to bits. The political explosion, however, will not only affect the elusive “Clinton legacy”. The fireball would also burn up the chances of John Kerry to become elected as President of the United States. And, with that would come the destruction of any potential pardons of criminal charges for culpability in a Flight 800 cover-up. And, the shrapnel from this explosion would also shred the hopes of other Democratic Party candidates, especially in Massachusetts. The timing of Berger’s revelation that he “lost” valuable documents — coming in between last week’s article about the lawsuit, and today’s court hearing — seems quite suspicious. And, the fact that the hearing is being held in Kerry’s home state certainly adds fuel to the speculation — especially considering that a Fox-TV news item mentioned the lawsuit on the Flight 800 anniversary last Saturday. It appears to me that Berger’s revelations about illegal activity are designed to take heat off Kerry, in the same way that Janet Reno’s raid on the compound outside Waco seemed timed to take media attention away from the indictment of Hillary Clinton.
Because of my own experience in the Air Force, I know that it might never be possible to determine which documents disappeared at the hands of Sandy Berger. When documents reach a certain level of classification, even the table of contents listing the documents is classified. Therefore, only people with that level of clearance, and a specific “need to know”, may be granted access to even the table of contents. Most members of the public do not realize that there are actually several layers of classification above Top Secret. If the Clinton White House did, in fact, engage in a cover-up of the shoot-down of Flight 800, then the most likely “classification authority” would have been Sandy Berger. He would have been under great incentive to hide the proof under the highest classification possible. Thus, even proof that such documents ever existed would be difficult to access.
Were the missing documents shredded, and/or burned? If so, then did Berger “fry” any records of the truth about the downing of Flight 800? (I had to make a joke about it, because, “Sometimes, you have to laugh, just to keep from crying.”)
Length 5 feet (1.5 meters)
Width 5.5 inches (13.96 centimeters)
Weight 12.5 pounds (5.68 kilograms)
Weight fully armed 34.5 pounds (15.66 kg)
Maximum system span 3.6 inches (9.14 cm)
Range 1 to 8 kilometers
Sight ring 10 mils
Fuzing Penetration, impact, self destruct
Ceiling 10,000 feet (3.046 kilometers) High enough to hit Flight 800
Speed Supersonic in flight
USMC Units Low-Altitude Air Defense (LAAD) Battalions: 3
active duty, 2 reserve
Crew 2 enlisted
Guidance system Fire-and-forget passive infrared seeker Warheads High explosive
Rate of fire 1 missile every 3 to 7 seconds
Type of fire "Fire-and-Forget"
Sensors Passive infrared
Introduction date 1987
Full-rate production 3QFY94 Unit Replacement Cost $38,000
Total program cost (TY$) 1060 systems $7281M
Average unit cost (TY$) $6M
Inventory ~13,400 missiles
By the way---and I raise this every Kook thread about TWA 800---the problem with the Navy missile scenario (which your radar doesn't address, which is why I waited until you posted the radar first -heheheh): if it's the Navy, you need TWO missiles---a drone and a hunter killer h/k.. The Orion supposedly was following a missile test. So a drone was fired. Where was it? Drones fly very slow, relatively and ceraintly would unambiguously be picked up on radar. But drones don't kill aircraft. So did the hk missile kill TWA? If so, where is the drone? Did both hit? If so, that would explain the so-called "red residue"---but there is no other FORENSIC evidence to support an outside-in explosion. Quite the contrary, the blast indicators, metal, etc., are all inside out.
In other words, for your alternative to work, we need a THIRD alternative: there were not one, but two missiles, and we can't account for either of them.
Oh, and remember, for your scenario to work, hundreds and hundreds of people in many administrations would have to cover up and lie. Is that what you really believe?
"Enough to hit . . ." depends on where it was fired from.
I personally do not think there is a conspiracy. I do believe that if...and I do mean if, because I do not know the whole story, but IF the Navy did mess up, we would have an international issue and a major problem...
Would an administration hold back and lie, I would think so. Just to avoid the international conflicts and embarrasment.
There were slower a/c in the area at the time, the P-3 was a spotter, possibly drones were there. I know the Navy trains the stick jocks with tow targets, I have seen them at Oceana NAS (VA Beach).
I do not worry about those things I will never know the whole story to.
Again, it is all my opinion. A bomb did it, attached to a rocket pack.
My opinion is that, given the routine nature of airline operations and the thousands and thousands of hours on aircraft using the same wiring design as used on Flt.800, if frayed wiring was such a problem, we would have seen exploding airliners more often. It's possible that Flt. 800 was the first, but that seems very unlikely to me.
As to conspiracy? It seems possible that an administration that somehow obtained (and the numbers vary but) let's say hundreds of FBI files, and a president who is the only in my memory to have an alledged body count, could somehow find a way to intimidate the appropriate people quiet.
When it comes to circumventing the law, as the current episonde starring Sandy Berger illustrates, I don't put anything past the Clinton crime family.
It's too preposterous. Who do I believe, Bush and Jim Kallstrom or the conspiracy theorists? Well I have to go with Bush and Kallstrom. If it was ONLY Clinton, I would be more skeptical, but still not convinced.
"What did he pants, and when did he pants it?"
(And did he show Kerry what was in his pants?)
Carolyn
Thanks for confirming what I've believed for years. One of the Long Island witnesses is a close friend of mine, and he had a rooftop deckfull of dinner guests who saw it happen. No one ever interviewed them before any commission, though they all had the FBI field 302(?) interview forms done on them.
A cover-up of massive proportions was committed on TWA 800, as well as the OKC Bombing, IMO.
Clinton has had years to cover up this episode. And as the many, many Clinton scandals have taught us time and time again, it's not what you know, it's what you can prove in court.
If people won't talk out of fear for themselves or their families, if necessary witnesses are dead, if documentation is missing or has been shreaded, well...it's just talk...or shall we say, partisan politics. And seriously, Clinton has a willing and able, anti-Bush media on his side to spin anything and everything whatever way their talking points tell them to.
Consider...Sandy Berger hides LOTS of classified documents in his sox and underwear and it's just Sandy being SLOPPY! And the press actually reports this with a straight face!!!
Moreover, even if there was no direct evidence, if there was suspicion, can you really see Rummy or Ashcroft or Ridge refusing to reopen the investigation if there was the slightest doubt in their mind that AQ might have been involved? If for no other reason than to get further leads and evidence, they would have re-opened the investigation. But they didn't. We can't have it both ways: either the report is right, and Bush has no reason to investigate, or the report is a lie and Bush is covering up too.
Since the documents are missing and no one but Berger knows what was in them, we might as well make up anything about the possible contents. Speculation season is . . . open!
The files in question need to be reviewed by someone who knows what's supposed to be there, to identify what is missing.
1) We all know that eyewitnesses see incredible things. The "eyewitnesses" at Dealey Plaza all heard shots from IN FRONT and on the ridge, when acoustic evidence unquesitonably puts it behind.<<<<<<<<<<
One thing, there is a difference between the visual sense and the audio.
Visually you can pick the direction correctly because you actually SEE it, if more then one person SEES a vapor trail or whatever going up and then a big explosion, it more then likely happened just like that.
When an event happens where we have to pinpoint it based on sound, well it's much harder to pick a direction because you have NO VISUAL contact to find it and the sound doesn't last long enough to be accurate in finding where it might be coming from so the direction that people think a sound came from could be wrong unless the sound is sustained intermittently for long enough for them to pinpoint it.
Can someone PLEASE tell me how burgler can go into archives?
I mean, he isn't on clinton's admin anymore, so what's his job title that gives him access to archives?
On what authority is he allowed access to top-secret documents?
Does that mean anyone previously in an administration for years afterward sstill have his clearance good to go for anything?
And any opinions why he isn't arrested yet if everyone says this is osserois?, yet some news accounts say "no arrests will be made?"
I'm confused over this, but crossing fingers.
I see it dying today on the media, sadly.
Have your Navy buddies commented of the hosing down of the recovered aircraft parts with firehoses prior to unloading upon the Navy ships? This was documented by news footage.
The FBI's triangulation of the witness' sightings has me favoring a shoot-down.
True, but all the JFK "eyewitnesses" also "saw" gunmen on the grassy knoll.
BUMP!
yes, my buddies did mention that they had to hose down the parts with fresh water to keep the metal from corroding. alluminum does corrode (exfoliation), but it takes forever to start. It was my buddy who helped bring the black boxes home. He said that they found them several days prior to the news report, but were not allowed to bring them up until told to do it.
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