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Archive Employees Suspicious of Berger - They Were Watching Him
Drudge Report ^ | 7-21-04 | Drudge Report

Posted on 07/21/2004 7:59:22 PM PDT by Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh

Archives Employees Suspicious of Berger... devised a coding system and marked the documents they knew Berger was interested in canvassing, and watched him carefully... employees determined that that draft and all four or five other versions of the millennium memo had disappeared from the files after Berger viewed them, WASH POST set to report, say sources... Developing...


TOPICS: Breaking News
KEYWORDS: 911; bergerjail; jfk; johnkerry; kerry; kerryedwards; knowingly; maliously; nara; nationalarchives; nationalsecurity; oopsifilledmypants; sandyberger; sandyburglar; sockgate; socks; soxgate; stuffedpants; terrorism; theinadvertantthief; trousergate; willfully
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To: BigSkyFreeper

It's better the WaPo reports it tomorrow than never.


201 posted on 07/21/2004 9:28:01 PM PDT by cyncooper ("We will fear no evil...And we will prevail")
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To: BigSkyFreeper

As FReepers have already noted, this is not "new" to us - what is new is that the Washington Post is printing it. Another excerpt (severely trimmed to about 100 words to keep Jim R. out of trouble!):

"..The classified documents were sensitive enough that employees arrived on a Sunday morning to pick them up. Several days later, after he had retained Breuer as counsel, Berger volunteered that he had also taken 40 to 50 pages of notes during three visits to the Archives ... he knowingly did not show these papers to Archives officials for review before leaving.

By then, however, Archives officials had served notice that there were other documents missing. ... By January, the FBI had been brought in, and Berger found himself in a criminal investigation -- one that he chose not to tell Kerry's campaign about until this week. ..."


202 posted on 07/21/2004 9:28:40 PM PDT by StayAt HomeMother
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To: kcvl
Lawrence O'Donnell on Scarborough Country tonight said that Sandy Berger is the person who leaked the information about the investigation.

A trick learned from Esteemed Ambassador Wilson.

203 posted on 07/21/2004 9:29:04 PM PDT by cookcounty (LBJ sent him to VN. Nixon expressed him home. And JfK's too dumb to tell them apart!)
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To: Southack

The biggest test is yet to come. Who will be the first Congresswo/man to drop the ball on this scandal. If the Republicans and Democrats don't see this through, I will be very angry. This is no time to be playing partisan politics in Washington. This is national security breaches we're talking about.


204 posted on 07/21/2004 9:29:09 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (While Bush plays "rope a dope", Kerry/Edwards play "grope a dope".)
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To: nopardons
This has legs,this has legs,THIS HAS LEGS!


205 posted on 07/21/2004 9:29:18 PM PDT by NewLand (Hey Sandy Berger, got any WMD's stuffed down your pants?)
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To: Carry_Okie

Exactly. Put him in jail. Find out what is in those missing documents.


206 posted on 07/21/2004 9:29:49 PM PDT by GeronL (wketchup.com........................www.bushcountryketchup.com)
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To: mass55th
Laura Ingraham will be happy to hear that. She's been wondering if it was boxers or briefs. LOL!

Commando!

207 posted on 07/21/2004 9:30:11 PM PDT by Major Matt Mason (The U.S. Senate- where our freedoms go to die.)
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To: Straight Vermonter
Right. After all our countries enemies can only make use of information when it comes from original documents.

You are mistaking my point.

I understand that it is the information that we are safeguarding and that copies are just as good as originals in terms of information. I think that it is important that Sandy Berger do jail time for his actions because of the huge negative impact on morale that it would have on the loyal security people who work their butts off in both the Government and Aerospace industries.

What I am looking for is the motive for what Berger did. What counts is what he thought he had in his hands and whether he thought that he could destroy evidence by trashing the documents that he took out of the Reading Room.

My point is that we only have hearsay that these were copies and that the originals were safe. Sandy Berger is no fool. He had a damned good reason for what he did and I don't think we know yet want that reason was. The question of copies and originals goes to this point exactly. You can easily explain everything that Sandy Berger did using the theory that he thought he could destroy incriminating evidence by destroying the documents that he purloined. I want to know if that is what happened or even if Sandy Berger thought it could happen.

208 posted on 07/21/2004 9:32:25 PM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: StayAt HomeMother; cyncooper

Yep, I realize that. May I remind everyone, that the WaPo isn't leading the investigation either. That's up to the Congresscritters.


209 posted on 07/21/2004 9:32:49 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (While Bush plays "rope a dope", Kerry/Edwards play "grope a dope".)
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To: AHerald
""They were only copies" is going to be the new "It's just about sex." If the debate is about classified data, we can win the day. If the debate is about document copies vs. originals, then the Dems will win."

Thats right. We CANNOT allow the dems to define this one. We have to stay on point.... Its about the classified, national security data, it ain't about the paper.

210 posted on 07/21/2004 9:34:39 PM PDT by Darlin' ("I will not forget this wound to my country." President George W Bush, 20 Sept 2001)
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To: InterceptPoint

Sorry I forgot </sarcasm>


211 posted on 07/21/2004 9:34:44 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (06/07/04 - 1000 days since 09/11/01)
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To: devolve

And the New York Times is curious whether this will impair Sandy's chances of being Sec. of State under Kerry! Puhleeze!


212 posted on 07/21/2004 9:34:44 PM PDT by ntnychik
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To: Grig
"employees determined that that draft and all four or five other versions of the millennium memo had disappeared from the files after Berger viewed them" A deliberate attempt to obtain and destroy every copy of that memo. It must be released as the PDB was.

This is what I have been wondering about. Of the things that Berger took and didn't return, are there things that cannot be replaced? Have all versions of this Millennium report completely disappeared?

213 posted on 07/21/2004 9:34:56 PM PDT by Floratina
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To: MJY1288
"Remember now!.... John Kerry said if he is elected, "I will NOT be the last to know"

Kerry's nouth is going to be his undoing.

214 posted on 07/21/2004 9:36:57 PM PDT by Darlin' ("I will not forget this wound to my country." President George W Bush, 20 Sept 2001)
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To: Dolphy
Out of curiosity, what is your take on why Berger thought he could remove and lose documents without consequence? I can't get past this, regardless of what he was after or how critical it was, he had to know he was going to get caught.

This is only a guess, but years of getting away with all they've always gotten away with? Arrogance, cavalier carelessness, and maybe knowing some of the employees and thinking they (I'm tying Berger to Clinton and I'm sure he invoked his name when trying to talk his way out when confronted) could be schmoozed?

I just remember that security issues during the Clinton administration were very lax indeed.

215 posted on 07/21/2004 9:37:19 PM PDT by cyncooper ("We will fear no evil...And we will prevail")
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To: cyncooper

Speaking of DNC talking points, Hannity started out his radio show today with a hilarious montage of Dems and talking heads (Gergen, et al, ad nauseum) all using the EXACT SAME talking points verbiage. Dem after dem attributed Berger's actions to:

"Sloppiness"
"Sloppiness" "being sloppy"
"very sloppy"
"sloppiness"
"sloppy"
"sloppiness"

We'll see what the DNC Word of the Day is tomorrow!


216 posted on 07/21/2004 9:37:21 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (Terrorist attacks ain't caused by the use of strength. They're invited by the perception of weakness)
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To: Darlin'
Its about the classified, national security data, it ain't about the paper.

Right, or we'll lose again because the Democrats played the "it's not the nature of the evidence, but the seriousness of the charge" card.

217 posted on 07/21/2004 9:37:39 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (While Bush plays "rope a dope", Kerry/Edwards play "grope a dope".)
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To: Carry_Okie
With all the wailing the Left has done about Ashcroft, where the hell has he been? I want this creep in the slammer and singing like a bird.

Why does it take nine months to charge somebody with an offense that they admit to commiting? I hope this isn't more of GW's failed "can't we all get along" policy.

218 posted on 07/21/2004 9:38:20 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Havoc be upon them!)
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To: potlatch
Berger's attorney admitted Berger "knowingly" took top secret documents.

So where does the "inadvertant" part fit in? And what about "sloppy?" It sounds to me like this doofus is trying real hard to change reality.

219 posted on 07/21/2004 9:38:22 PM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson (Ho Ho Ho Chi Minh/Loves John Kerry so vote him in!)
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To: NewLand
And BIG one at that! LOL
220 posted on 07/21/2004 9:38:58 PM PDT by nopardons
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