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THINNER GRUEL (Joe Wilson)
NROTC ^ | 7/16/04 | Jonah Goldberg

Posted on 07/16/2004 2:39:22 PM PDT by swilhelm73

THINNER GRUEL [Jonah Goldberg]

Salon.com has a "defense" of Joe Wilson. For the most part, the piece is a dull, he-said she-said about the controversy so far, generally sympathetic to Wilson, with some sneaky bits hid in the dull prose in order to make them seem more reasonable. For example the author, Mary Jacoby, says "But no sale of uranium ever took place, Wilson reported, and that conclusion is not in dispute." That's true, but Bush never said Iraq purchased the uranium, he merely said Iraq sought it. Wilson said Iraq didn't and that his cryptic sweet-tea swilling conversations proved it. That's the part that's in dispute. Nobody sent Wilson to Africa because they thought Iraq actually obtained the uranium. This is a back-handed way of bolstering Wilson's "credibility" in an area where it was never questioned. Wilson, by the way, also contends that Africa is by and large a very hot contintent with many exotic animals. That conclusion is not in dispute either.

Another minor cheap bit is the author's positive gloss on the memo from Plame touting her husband. Jacoby writes:

The report also quotes an internal CIA memo written by Wilson's wife, Plame, stating: "my husband has good relations with both the PM (prime minister) and the former Minister of Mines (not to mention lots of French contacts), both of whom could possibly shed light on this sort of activity." Based on Plame's internal memo and other evidence, three Republicans -- Roberts and Sens. Orrin Hatch of Utah and Kit Bond of Missouri -- wrote additional views appended to the report, concluding that "the plan to send the former ambassador to Niger was suggested" by Plame.The three GOP senators criticized their Democratic counterparts on the panel for refusing to endorse this conclusion. In his letter to the committee, Wilson disputed the Republican senators' characterization. "There is no suggestion or recommendation in that statement that I be sent on the trip," he wrote. A CIA spokeswoman declined to comment. In an interview, Wilson said that his wife was stating facts about his background, not pushing that he go to Niger.

Two things: First, if I declare I really need a great personal assistant and someone sends me an email saying "My husband can type 150 words per minute. He's very well organized, sharp and has great research skills" -- that would strike me as an effort to push her husband for the job. Second, Jacoby notes that Wilson disputes the memo's significance. What about "the other evidence" used to draw the conclusion Plame touted Wilson for the job?

Anyway, there are a few other clever sentences like that in the piece. But the only truly annoying assertion is in the opening. The author begins:

Choreographed editorials and Op-Ed pieces on Thursday in the Wall Street Journal and National Review and by conservative columnist Robert Novak signaled the revving up of a Republican campaign to discredit former ambassador Joseph Wilson and his claims that President Bush trumpeted flimsy intelligence in the drive to invade Iraq. "Choreographed"? Where does Jacoby get this? Where is the evidence? Consider the irony for a moment. The whole debate about "Bush lied," WMDs, etc. is about whether or not various facts and developments were intentional or not. Were all of the CIA mistakes actually lies? Was every thing which went wrong done on purpose? And here Salon blithely asserts that conservatives colluded to attack Wilson upon the release of this report.

I know, I know, the Salon style manual seems to insist that all inconvenient arguments from the Right are coordinated for maximum effect. Sidney Blumenthal is their Washington Editor after all. But, seriously, where is the evidence for this? As someone fairly deep inside the "right wing attack machine" or whatever those guys call it this week, I can tell you for a fact that I saw no coordination. Most of the reaction was initially driven by bloggers (including yours truly). Salon should know that you can't "choreograph" bloggers. And I defy them to prove that Bob Novak was being choreographed. That's just flatly dumb and defies common sense. Is Jacoby lying on orders from Blumenthal? Or is she simply imagining things? I mean, come on, there is some actual merit to the case that Wilson deliberately lied for partisan reasons about some of the most serious issues imagineable. That's pretty much been proven. The case that Bush lied, meanwhile, continues to fall apart.

UPDATE Jacoby was Wes Clark's press secretary.

Posted at 12:00 PM


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; War on Terror
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To: piasa

So we’ve got the wife of the founder of Fusion GPS defending Joe Wilson, confirming a connection we already suspected—good work.


21 posted on 08/01/2017 8:23:36 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: piasa
In 2004, the French were definitely supporting Kerry. They probably favored Hillary in 2016, too. During the interim, Obama ordered the CIA to interfere in France's elections.
22 posted on 08/01/2017 8:26:17 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: piasa; Fedora; Liz
Lookee here...

Salon should know that you can't "choreograph" bloggers. And I defy them to prove that Bob Novak was being choreographed. That's just flatly dumb and defies common sense. Is Jacoby lying on orders from Blumenthal? Or is she simply imagining things? I mean, come on, there is some actual merit to the case that Wilson deliberately lied for partisan reasons about some of the most serious issues imagineable. That's pretty much been proven. The case that Bush lied, meanwhile, continues to fall apart.

Oh, look at this, too:

UPDATE Jacoby was Wes Clark's press secretary.

23 posted on 08/01/2017 8:28:57 PM PDT by piasa
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To: piasa; okie01

bump


24 posted on 08/01/2017 8:29:33 PM PDT by piasa
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To: Fedora; Liz; okie01
Check this out:

I plug "Wesley Clerk" into a search engine to see what he's been up to and I get this very fresh July 31 opinion article:

http://www.al.com/opinion/index.ssf/2017/07/mary_maxwell_mr_trump_dont_fal.html

Nestled in that article [by a nutjob meddler mole fresh from Australia masquerading as a Republican Senatorial candidate for an upcoming election]... is praise for Wesley Clark and a link to video interview of Clark by the leftwing nut site Democracy Now : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSL3JqorkdU

Oh, and guess for whose Senate seat this 9/11 truther / disruptor is wanting to run? AG Sessions' old seat in Alabama: http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/06/mary_maxwell_senate_candidate.html In 2006 Maxwell sued then-President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney ...see http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=267726.0

25 posted on 08/01/2017 8:54:37 PM PDT by piasa
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To: swilhelm73; Fedora; Liz

Is this author Mary Jacoby the very same Mary Jacoby as is married to Fusion-GPS head Glenn Simpson? Simpson and his wife assembled the Trump dossier and delivered it to the Obama WH “prior to the DOJ and FBI applying for the FISA warrant”- according to one source.


26 posted on 12/21/2017 10:00:10 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: piasa

... just a re-bump in the aftermath of the Alabama election.


27 posted on 12/21/2017 10:04:12 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: swilhelm73; Fedora
UPDATE Jacoby was Wes Clark's press secretary.

Speaking of Wesley Clerk ... KLA, Iran narcoterrorism... May be relevent in light of recent news on Hezbollah.

The Brooklyn Connection [Brooklyn resident arms narcoterrorists] Jewish World Review ^ | July 19, 2005 | Julia Gorin

28 posted on 12/21/2017 10:12:50 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: piasa

More Nigergate/dossier connections. Re your other post, the KLA also ties into human organ trafficking.


29 posted on 12/21/2017 11:18:20 PM PST by Fedora
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To: Fedora

Wonder what the candidate he aided was offering him in return?


30 posted on 05/18/2019 9:16:56 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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