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Author: Al-Qaida Has Nuclear Weapons, Likely Inside U.S.
NewsMax ^ | 7/14/04 | Stewart Stogel

Posted on 07/13/2004 7:11:31 PM PDT by wagglebee

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To: MediaMole; All
Little Boy was a very simple design. Take two chunks of sub-critical U235. One piece is the target, it sits at the end of a gun barrel. The other, smaller piece is shot down the barrel with explosives. When they hit, kablooey!

Actually, it takes almost Three Critical Masses of 90% pure U235arranged in FOUR subassemblies [three ANNULUS rings and a Cylinder...said Cylinder driven into the Tri-ANNULUS subassemblies.

Why???

Because the Critical Mass is based on a SPHERE, and the Critical Assembly is anything but, given that the Little Boy Engineers drove that Cylinder with...TNT!!!

Plutonium implosion weapons compress a sphere of Pu239 using explosives with impeccably precise timers. The dozens of charges needed to perfectly compress the plutonium have to all go off simultaneously or the weapon will be a dud.

EXPLODING WIRE detonators, invented by a Harvard Chemistry George KistiaKowsky [sp??????] expressly for this purpose...ordinary detonators are Three Orders of Magnitude too slow!!!

The added complexity of the implosion weapon made testing critical. Implosion weapons have the advantage of needing far less fissionable material so they can be made much smaller. All our current weapons are implosion weapons.

Actually, IMPLOSION is the ONLY real way to handle Plutonium as a WEAPON...Plutonium spontaniously generates another Plutonium Isotope which gives off Neutrons...Spoiling the "loose" timing of the Gun type method. Implosion is a MUST!!!

IMPLOSION requires an "INITIATOR" at the core. NOTHING ELSE is classified about Trinity-Nagasaki than the "Initiator!

As to Speculation on the Trinity-Nagasaki initiators, as well as what has replaced them...please see reply 107.

121 posted on 07/13/2004 11:15:51 PM PDT by Lael (Patent Law...not a single Supreme Court Justice is qualified to take the PTO Bar Exam!)
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To: wagglebee
We are hopeful for God's help. The real matter is the extinction of America. And, God willing, it will fall to the ground.”

This sickens me.

And Rockefeller and Kennedy, and the rest of the sleazoids keep playing games! Sickening!

122 posted on 07/14/2004 12:03:42 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Maria Sharapova, please endorse G.W.)
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To: Eighth Square
"Continuing this line of thought and knowing that this country is easily penetrated, I am constantly amazed at the civil liberties/privacy rights crowd who are standing in the way of meaningful undercover snooping."

Replacing this country's liberty-driven culture with a fascist-controlled police state is not the answer to security problems. Securing our borders and coastline, which no one has even proposed doing thus far, goes a lot further toward providing actual security for the people of this country than any Soviet-style police action ever can, will, or could.

Last I checked, New Hampshire's state motto didn't read, "I'll do anything, just please don't let them hurt me".
123 posted on 07/14/2004 12:16:27 AM PDT by NJ_gent
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To: GSlob

"it would have been synchronized with some uprising in Iraq or some more spectacular terrorism incident in saudi sandpit..."

Like a US presidential election???


124 posted on 07/14/2004 12:28:27 AM PDT by Remember_Salamis (Freedom is Not Free)
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To: COEXERJ145
Last thread on this subject, a total of 653 posts

Which thread was that?

125 posted on 07/14/2004 12:30:23 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Maria Sharapova, please endorse G.W.)
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To: old-ager
Clark reprints several al-Qaeda manifestoes calling down destruction on America

Who is this Clark guy?

126 posted on 07/14/2004 12:37:14 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Maria Sharapova, please endorse G.W.)
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To: All

1. If Al Qaeda was able to purchase five or more "suitcase nukes", then any reasonably proficient nuclear physicist could get at least one to go off.

2. It is my impression that the Bush Administration believes that Al Qaeda has or might have nuclear weapons, due to their reactions that accompany elevated threat levels, including the deployment of portable radiation detectors.

3. It is my understanding that radiation detectors are indeed sensitive enough to pick up tritium in luminous wristwatches, at the ranges you might expect from roadside detection operations. In fact, there have been reports of people detained in similar scenarios. The radiation intensity (and therefore, detectability) falls off with the inverse square of the distance, however. If the detectors mentioned above were effective as described at a range of 50 feet, they would need to increase their sensitivity by a factor of approximately 128x to be similarly effective at the range of one mile.

4. The narrowly averted recent attacks on Britain and Amman, Jordan using chemical weapons (Osmium in Britian, unknown quantity, unknown material in Amman, quantity of 17 tons) may well be the basis for the recent increase in institutional and government sensitivity, and this may also account for Sen. Tom Daschle's reaction to a recent briefing, in which he stated that the information imparted was "extremely sobering", and almost "certainly not partisan". Then again, they may not.

5. Significant research has yet to conclusively determine the existance of any Soviet "suitcase nukes". The closest I have been able to find are the (existance contested) nuclear mines distributed to the KGB and Spetsnaz troops, in central Asia and eastern Europe. These, if they actually do exist, have shelf life problems, probably in both the neutron initiators (1970's technology) and any pumping mechanisms that might have been used to reduce the naked sphere critical mass of necessary core fuel for these high energy devices. The reported nominal yield of these devices was 0.1 KT.

Hope for the best, plan for the worst.


127 posted on 07/14/2004 1:33:01 AM PDT by jeffers
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To: thoughtomator; TigersEye
Perhaps you're both right, but, they have seen Afghanistan and Iraq, and I'm sure some high-level talks have taken place where our point of view and retaliatory plans have been conveyed to the heads of Saudi, Iran, Syria, etc.

If not, we are beyond stupid.

128 posted on 07/14/2004 2:29:24 AM PDT by Pharmboy (History's greatest agent for freedom: The US Armed Forces)
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To: doug from upland
"The entire Islamic world is all over the world. Are you shooting for a nuclear winter?"

This country has become so obsessed with political correctness that little will be done, so not to worry.

129 posted on 07/14/2004 2:48:48 AM PDT by Carbonsteel
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To: wagglebee
For all of the "If they had them they would have used them" mindset I offer you this to contemplate upon...
Why didn't they use aircraft on the WTC attack in '93? They sure had access to them then as well.
The "argument" lacks much merit. You don't waste big resources/assets when it isn't necessary. You save them.
Some really poor thinking (or attempts at disinformation) going on out there...

And please, don't come back with "they hadn't thought of it at that time." We have no concept of what they had and hadn't considered at that time. They tried and failed with "a minimum response" the first time.

130 posted on 07/14/2004 3:17:06 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: El Gato
Either they never had them and still don't, or they didn't have them here until more recently.

I am a lot more afraid of ballpoint pen nukes than I am of suitcase nukes.

Not that either one actually exists.

A REVIEW OF THE SUITCASE NUCLEAR BOMB CONTROVERSY

131 posted on 07/14/2004 5:49:34 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: Carbonsteel; Pharmboy
This country has become so obsessed with political correctness that little will be done, so not to worry.

I expect that this is true regardless of who sits in the White House or who holds a Congressional majority however big that might be. When it comes to caving to outside pressures and vacillating about a response we will be worse than Isreal. The Jihadis will soon find that we are a lot more fun to mess with than Isreal. Reaction on the street might be a bit different though.

132 posted on 07/14/2004 6:45:47 AM PDT by TigersEye (Intellectuals only exist if you think they do!)
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To: beyond the sea
Thread entitled Al Qaida has 20 suitcase nukes in the US, intends to use them, soon.
133 posted on 07/14/2004 6:48:26 AM PDT by COEXERJ145
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To: mlbford2

LOL!


134 posted on 07/14/2004 7:23:12 AM PDT by Valin (Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. It's just that yours is stupid.)
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To: doug from upland

Watch it! You're making sense. Much better to rant and rave scream and holler threaten the entire world with death and destruction. It makes you FEEL so much better.


135 posted on 07/14/2004 7:29:35 AM PDT by Valin (Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. It's just that yours is stupid.)
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To: philman_36

Part of me agrees with the "if they had them they would have used them" mindset, and of course, hype like this sells books. But, I remember in the months after Sept. 11, a lot of people were speculating about how soon the next attack would come. It seems to me that the events of Sept. 11 are still having the desired effect... people are still frightened, the "terror alerts" are still high... they are still getting a lot of mileage out of what they have already done. But, we are getting complacent. We are beginning to let our guard down in some places, and in other places it has become clear that we will not really raise our guard (i.e. the borders). Al qaeda can afford to wait, and in fact, gains by waiting. If the goal is simply the destruction of America, then getting nukes into major U.S. cities and detonating them in one swoop would seem logical... thus, the "if they had them they would have already used them" argument. But, if the goal is for certain elements to rise to power, to bring about a war that unifies all muslims in the world against non-muslims, then a bit more strategy would seem logical. Poking the sleeping giant America into swatting at cells of Muslim terrorists here and there was a first step, allowing the terrorists to carry the corpses of muslim children supposedly "murdered" by the U.S. in the streets as recruiting posters on al jazeera. Striking on 9/11 was another step, escalating the violence and the level of attention to "the cause". Arguably, the U.S. has responded exactly as the terrorists wanted us to... we have gone into predominantly Muslim countries, killed muslims, and "occupied" muslim lands. But, again, we have been unwilling to unleash the full force of our might, and we, as a country, have become more divided rather than more unified.
These are all just random thoughts, but it seems to be there in another side to the "if they had them they would have used them" argument... a certain strategical planning to unleashing of their terror attacks, depending on what their ultimate goal is, may be more effective in their minds.


136 posted on 07/14/2004 7:55:31 AM PDT by Thrusher (Can't Lurk Any Longer)
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To: Thrusher

Welcome aboard.
You're not a REAL Freeper until you've been flamed...soooo

You snail-skulled little rabbit. Would that a hawk pick you up, drive its beak into your brain, and upon finding it rancid set you loose to fly briefly before spattering the ocean rocks with the frothy pink shame of your ignoble blood.

There that's taken care of


137 posted on 07/14/2004 8:22:14 AM PDT by Valin (Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. It's just that yours is stupid.)
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To: Indie; NJ_gent

During War 2, England was locked down, imminent invasion ect., travel was difficult and permits were necessary to relocate. Talk was guarded, roadblocks were numerous and all citizens were subject to questioning and search if deemed necessary. No one complained and everyone understood. It was not a police state, the citizens were mature enough to recognize that the nation was at war. The bad guys are here already and we are at war.

Your point re the open borders is more than valid, it is unbelieveable considering the times we live in. One school of thought holds that it is part of a long term plan to establish an economic block including both Americas, with open borders throughout, therefore the lack of enforcement would be intentional. Too soon I would think.


138 posted on 07/14/2004 9:17:53 AM PDT by Eighth Square (We've met the enemy - no doubt about that!)
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To: wagglebee

NewsMax plays this again.


139 posted on 07/14/2004 9:20:29 AM PDT by cinFLA
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To: MediaMole
Thanks for the info, MM.

I was reading some material on Los Alamos and didn't remember seeing anything differentiating the bombs.

But I did run across the verse written by an unknown author that was circulating around Los Alamos before the test, a "result of the anxiety surrounding the possibiity of a failure of the test." You probably have seen this before, but here it is for those who haven't:

"From this crude lab that spawned a dud,
Their necks to Truman's axe uncurled
Lo, the embattled savants stood,
and fired the flop heard round the world."

Heh!

140 posted on 07/14/2004 9:20:39 AM PDT by Eastbound
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