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Never forget what we are up against - it is civilisation against the savages.

This visit was criticised, but on the flip side, there has been a great deal of education going on about what the Islamists believe, as you can see.

Regards, Ivan


1 posted on 07/10/2004 4:48:59 PM PDT by MadIvan
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Religion of Peace ping.


2 posted on 07/10/2004 4:49:26 PM PDT by MadIvan (Ronald Reagan - proof positive that one man can change the world.)
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Actually, since polygamy means that most Muslim men cannot ever expect to marry (hence their fondness for young boys and each other), rape should be considered a normal by-product of Muslim culture.


3 posted on 07/10/2004 4:52:21 PM PDT by livius
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The extreme Islamists disdain modern life as much as they disdain humam life. If a woman dresses in provocative clothing, she asks to be raped. Gee, now where did we hear that one before?


4 posted on 07/10/2004 4:53:34 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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The Islamokazis believe that if a woman is raped, it's her fault because she must have been behaving promiscuously. What a wonderful religion and culture.

And you're right, Ivan, this was a good visit. This stuff is the Islamo-fascists' vision for the world.

5 posted on 07/10/2004 4:54:59 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Shop smart. Shop S-Mart...)
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6 posted on 07/10/2004 4:56:14 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (Am Yisrael Chai!)
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On a related note.

"Imam gives underling permission to beat his wife"

http://www.thedailystar.net/2004/07/10/d40710011313.htm


7 posted on 07/10/2004 4:59:05 PM PDT by annyokie (Sure, take all the umbrage.)
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Yet Mohammedanism is "chic" among leftists...


10 posted on 07/10/2004 5:00:44 PM PDT by Guillermo (It's the 99% of Mohammedans that make the other 1% look bad.)
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Why was this monster even given a visa to enter England?


11 posted on 07/10/2004 5:01:35 PM PDT by wagglebee
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allowed into the country despite his open support of Palestinian suicide bombers and his extreme views on homosexuality

The First Amendment for American citizens is one thing, but tell me just WHY we allow people like this into our country since nothing says we have to??????

Last vote for the Republicrats will be in Nov 2004. Const Party thereafter.

14 posted on 07/10/2004 5:08:12 PM PDT by Indie (Ignorance of the truth is no excuse for stupidity.)
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This guy must be a hit in Paris...


15 posted on 07/10/2004 5:13:13 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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Something really weird happened to me that this reminds me of. I attended a 'talk' that was supposed to be between a Pastor friend of mine and a group of Muslims. (This was pre-9/11. I've learned a lot since).

The Muslim guys up front did all the talking and didn't allow the Pastor much time. Maybe he got 10% of the total time up there. There were 7 of us Christians and 100 or so Muslims.

At the end of the ordeal, a Muslim convert (Fat American kid wearing a skull cap) was particularly interested in arguing the case for Islam with me against Christianity. (He was one of many, they all ganged up). But his particular beef with me was "that passage in Deuteronomy" that said that if a woman didn't cry out during a rape that she would be put to death. He distorted the Old Testament passage which basically said that the woman needed to protest or else it would be considered consensual. (I didn't have my Bible with me (ugh) and was not very familiar with that Old Testament law so I didn't refute him on that particular issue. I didn't agree with him, either).

But it was very strange that he would pick that topic to try to convince me that Christianity was inferior to Islam.

(By the way, here's the passage:

If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her, you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death-the girl because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man's wife. You must purge the evil from among you.
But if out in the country a man happens to meet a girl pledged to be married and rapes her, only the man who has done this shall die. Do nothing to the girl; she has committed no sin deserving death. This case is like that of someone who attacks and murders his neighbor, for the man found the girl out in the country, and though the betrothed girl screamed, there was no one to rescue her).


16 posted on 07/10/2004 5:13:20 PM PDT by agrarianlady
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These guys are playing word games. The woman was raped; the rapist should be punished.


17 posted on 07/10/2004 5:20:28 PM PDT by freekitty
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Why are the Feminazis of the world not outraged by these beliefs? If a Western rape victim is accused of causing the rape by her choice of apparel, the outcry would be deafening.
18 posted on 07/10/2004 5:23:54 PM PDT by EggsAckley (You can't be pro small business and pro trial lawyer at the same time! ** George W. Bush)
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It is men who are in charge and according to his view of the world they have a wonderful situation where they never lose and it is always going to be the woman's fault."

Yup, very convenient for the Islamic male. Sort of getting, eating and keeping their cake all at the same time.

Prairie

21 posted on 07/10/2004 5:32:38 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (10 out of 10 terrorists agree, anybody but BUSH!!)
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In Dr. al-Qaradawi's eyes, Bill Clinton raping Juanita Brodderick was Juanita Broddericks fault.


24 posted on 07/10/2004 5:42:37 PM PDT by Arpege92 (Moore is so fat that when he hauls a$$ it takes two trips - tractorman!)
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Well, now Brits can't say they weren't warned about the nature of the beast. These people are nuts. Well, you all know the drill. Islam has lobotomized Arabs. This is why no civil rights, no modern life, culture, knowledge, learning, literacy. PC thinking isn't going to protect Britain, far from it.


31 posted on 07/10/2004 6:47:00 PM PDT by hershey
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ON THE NET...

ISLAM ONLINE.net -- "Ask The Scholar"
http://www.islamonline.net/fatwaapplication/english/browse.asp

ISLAM ONLINE.net -- "Live Fatwa" (Archives)
http://www.islamonline.net/livefatwa/english/oldresult.asp


35 posted on 07/10/2004 8:09:44 PM PDT by Cindy
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So, y'all are voting with the liberals and gays on this issue, heh?

Is it the argument, in this case, that it is OK for girls to barely dress themselves and make all types of innuendos and half promises to young guys? And if they get raped, as a consequence, they do not bear even the slightest share of the blame?

The liberal feminazis are suffering from the chronic, "public swimming pool mentality"; (rather than telling parents it is their duty and responsibility to teach their kids to swim, activists just demand that more life guards should be added to "keep the kids safe" after a tragedy).

This liberal group-think thing is so easy to get sucked into. The feminests loudly proclaim, "But it wasn't her fault, because no matter what she said or did, she should never be attacked."

Unfortunately, these days, this is the blank check that America's young girls are being offered. The pro-sex crowd is lying to our kids by telling them that they may taunt and tease and that they will be safe, because any one who responds aggressively will be punished.

These liberal spokespeople, including lesbian Lynne Harne, are failing to mention to the girls that tempting teenage and college-age boys is like playing Russian Roulette with a loaded gun.

In other words, no matter how wrong rape is, girls who dress and act like sluts are still taking a very big risk when they flaunt and taunt.

This has absolutely nothing to do with Islam being flawed, either. Modesty is based on simple common sense.

36 posted on 07/10/2004 8:31:04 PM PDT by TaxRelief (Keep your kids safe; keep W in the White House.)
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For proof we'll put the same dress on a fat 60 year old and a beautiful 16 year old. I suspect it's not the outfit that's the turn-on. These jerks live in an evil self serving world. Pigs.

says that women can be guilty of provoking a sexual attack if their dress or behaviour arouses a man.

38 posted on 07/10/2004 8:44:33 PM PDT by GOPJ
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He is also one of the most open-minded Muslim clerics in the world.

That's probably true. ;D

42 posted on 07/11/2004 3:28:07 AM PDT by hellinahandcart (mrs. sauropod)
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