Bush campaign wants church lists

CNN ^ | Friday, July 2, 2004 Posted: 10:40 PM EDT (0240 GMT | N/A

[Kerberos]

"First of all, I would not want my church directories being used that way,"

"But it's one thing for us to do that. It's a totally different thing for a partisan campaign to come in and try to organize a church. A lot of pastors are going to say: 'Wait a minute, bub'," he added.

Even the leadership of the Southern Baptists understands that this is just wrong.

Oh well, as we boldly move forward to the age of the theocracy.

[Fawnn]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's so wrong they only invite Jesse Jackson and his ilk to access their lists!

[Kerberos]

"Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's so wrong they only invite Jesse Jackson and his ilk to access their lists!"

So then I gather you are a supporter of the new theocracy?

[Delphinium]

I am not against this idea and would love to get ahold of church lists in my area to use to get my Christian conservative candidate elected.

These church goers need to be educated, and to know that there is a huge difference.

[Kerberos]

"These church goers need to be educated"

I can certainly agree with that.

[Fawnn]

I haven't decided if I'm for granting direct access to the lists. (I have a feeling based on my experience with conservatives that most would ask church members for permission before their names were forwarded.)

What I AM against is the hypocrisy of those crying wolf about one more thing!

[Tamzee]

[Sloth]

It's pretty crass. Churches have no business aligning themselves with secular political parties, nor should parties be trying to encourage such affiliation.

[Kerberos]

"It's pretty crass. Churches have no business aligning themselves with secular political parties, nor should parties be trying to encourage such affiliation."

Exactly, although there seems to be many so-called conservatives here that can't begin to understand that fundamental truth.

Which makes one wonder, why are they called fundamentalist?

Thanks

[Blood of Tyrants]

Get real. Kerry can go into a liberal black church and deliver a political speech and the pastor can instruct his parishoners to vote straight Democrap and they will not hear one word from the IRS.

Do you think that the liberals won't institute their own theocracy that worships perversion of all that is good and right?

[Azzurri]

I'm not sure I support church directories being given to political parties. But, I don't see any difference between this and the Democrats getting the rolls from Big Unions and swapping donor lists with NPR.

[Behind Liberal Lines]

I think any political party getting lists from churches, in order to contact the parishoners and try to gather support, is wholly preferable to getting the ministers to organize voting drives, etc.

[Kerberos]

"Do you think that the liberals won't institute their own theocracy that worships perversion of all that is good and right?"

No.

[Kerberos]

" think any political party getting lists from churches, in order to contact the parishoners and try to gather support, is wholly preferable to getting the ministers to organize voting drives, etc."

Why's that?

[gilliam]

This use to be the function of the Christian Coalition (at least with Protestant Churches). Unfortunately, they have pretty much collapsed.

[Kerberos]

"I'm not sure I support church directories being given to political parties. But, I don't see any difference between this and the Democrats getting the rolls from Big Unions and swapping donor lists with NPR."

The difference is that the conjoining of the state and religion historically, in almost all instances, has resulted in oppression of the people. There is thousands of years of history to support this position, long before the Christians came along.

However that is what we are currently seeing in our politics today, which is something the founders were strongly against and for the historical reasons, I have cited above.

Which is why the founders incorporated it into our Constitution is that they understood that such an event would be the destruction of the republic. Unfortunately the Republican party has been hijacked in recent years by religious zealots, also know as fundamentalists, who would like nothing more than for the rest of us to forget that truth.

[Kerberos]

"Unfortunately, they have pretty much collapsed."

I must disagree with your use of the word "unfortunately."

[Delphinium]

It's pretty crass. Churches have no business aligning themselves with secular political parties, nor should parties be trying to encourage such affiliation."

Exactly, although there seems to be many so-called conservatives here that can't begin to understand that fundamental truth.

What fundamental truth?

Tell me where in the Bible, not religion but the Bible where it tells us not to be aligned with one side, or the other?

There is a clear difference, at least for the time being and Christians must be part of deciding who our leaders are.

God does not want us to be lacking wisdom , and knowledge.

Hsa 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.

Proverbs 29:2 “ When the righteous rule, the people rejoice. When the wicked rule, the people groan.”

John Jay, First Chief Justice U.S. Supreme Court – “providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers.”

President George Washington – “It is impossible to rightly govern … without God and the Bible

[Tax Government]

I am certain of strong acceptance at my congregation.

[Delphinium]

Which is why the founders incorporated it into our Constitution

What exactly did the founders incorporate into the Constitution that would keep Christians from being a part.