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1 posted on 07/02/2004 4:11:13 AM PDT by KMC1
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John F*ckin: America's second Black President.


2 posted on 07/02/2004 4:13:30 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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John Kerry pressed for an annulment.

Furthermore, note that it doesn't say he actually got an annulment - and in fact, he himself has only said that he "requested" one. So with his remarriage, it's rather unclear that he is actually a member in good standing of the Catholic Church (although he seems to believe that claiming he is will get him votes). I'd like to see more information about that, too, while we're digging through records.

10 posted on 07/02/2004 4:24:35 AM PDT by livius
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It's important to note that an anullment from the Catholic Church does not mean Kerry's daughters are illegitimate. This is not the Church's stance at all. An anullment only affects the Sacramental portion of the marriage. It has nothing to do with the daughters.


11 posted on 07/02/2004 4:24:53 AM PDT by CrusadingConservative
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You know, I couldn't helping wondering about Kerry seeking to get an religious annulment, in addition to the secular divorce. An annulment -- declaring the marriage null and void -- de facto bastardizes any children born from said marriage.

In years gone by this created a tremendous headache, and heartache, for those children, e.g. Henry VIII's daughter Mary.

Granted things to do are no where near as bad for children of annulled marriages but still...why did Kerry do it? It would seem to me a secular divorce would -- and did -- solve the matter of his first marriage. Why the annulment as well? Perhaps his children sided with their mother and this was his way of "getting back" at them. I have no idea. But it does strike me as a mean, even vicious, thing for him to do to his own children.

12 posted on 07/02/2004 4:28:03 AM PDT by yankeedame ("Born with the gift of laughter & a sense that the world was mad.")
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The dirty little secret of kerry's divorce is that he most likely demanded alimony FROM his wife.


19 posted on 07/02/2004 4:37:23 AM PDT by OldFriend (IF YOU CAN READ THIS, THANK A TEACHER.......AND SINCE IT'S IN ENGLISH, THANK A SOLDIER)
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The church simply informed her by way of a letter that this was the case. Ms. Thorne had been severely depressed and near suicide when Kerry walked out on her, and in pressing for an annulment he cast his daughters into the bizarre state of illegitimacy.

Dear Ms Thorne,

Remember that marriage you thought you had with John F. Kerry? Well, it never happened as a result of it being annulled. Oh, and those two kids you had in the non-existent marriage are now illegitimate.

Have a nice day!

The Annulment Bureau

23 posted on 07/02/2004 4:41:24 AM PDT by PJ-Comix
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Was the Kerry Annulment before or after the annuled wife of Joe Kennedy III wrote her book on this topic and thus gave annulment a really bad name? I'm curious because before her book there was no big stigma in the public on the topic of annulment but nowadays there is. BTW, isn't that book that she wrote the reason why Joe Kennedy III dropped out of politics?


25 posted on 07/02/2004 4:44:25 AM PDT by PJ-Comix
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in pressing for an annulment he cast his daughters into the bizarre state of illegitimacy.

No children are "illegitimate" in the eyes of God and His Church.

27 posted on 07/02/2004 4:57:31 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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This slanders both Kerry and the Catholic church.

The children of an annulled marriage are considered legitimate under canon law. This "slander" is often used by "innocent" spouses (usually bitter women) to stop their husbands from getting a second marriage in the Church, and to turn their children against the poor man...

And annulment means only that there were problems in the marriage from the start that made one or both partners unable to contract a sacramental marriage. Kerry's first wife has a history of mental illness, depression, which would allow an annulment.
34 posted on 07/02/2004 5:26:27 AM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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In the Catholic Church, especially in America, an annulment is practically the same thing as a divorce nowadays.

When I and my first wife divorced, I applied for and received an annulment. But, that marriage was short-lived, and there were no children. There was also (now, looking back, I can see it), the problem of depression. (Women are susceptible to this.) Plus, I had grounds. That annulment was legit.

When my second wife and I divorced, we had been married for several years, and had a children. Plus, depression was not involved, and it was a no-fault divorce. Therefore, neither I nor my second wife sought, nor do I think I, her or we would have been given an annulment.

All things considered, Kerry's case seems to be more like my second divorce. Yes, the woman suffered depression, but this, by itself, is not grounds for an annulment. That would be like saying that if the woman has a physical illness, that would be grounds for an annulment.

When you marry, you marry for "better or for worse, in sickness and in health." Mere depression is a risk you run when marryng another person. The Catholic Church should NOT have granted the annulment to Kerry. Either that, or the Catholic Church should accept the fact of divorce.


37 posted on 07/02/2004 5:32:55 AM PDT by Redmen4ever
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An annulment does NOT make the children of the putative marriage into bastards. This journalist ought to be fired for repeating an old, tired anti-Catholic slur.


40 posted on 07/02/2004 5:48:00 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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when Kerry walked out on her, and in pressing for an annulment he cast his daughters into the bizarre state of illegitimacy. One of them was still a teen at the time.

The writer is WRONG! Annulment does not create illegitimacy any more than a divorce does.

I'm NOT for Jean alQuery, but just wanted to set the record straight, as this fiction about annulment and illegitimacy seems to pop up from time to time.

45 posted on 07/02/2004 7:03:47 AM PDT by SuziQ (Bush in 2004/Because we MUST!!)
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"The church simply informed her by way of a letter that this was the case."

A no-class act. And again, someone please remind me here, is half of the electorate also classless?
46 posted on 07/02/2004 7:06:12 AM PDT by gathersnomoss
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he cast his daughters into the bizarre state of illegitimacy.

Idiot newspeople trying to be theologians. The Sacrament of Holy Matrimony would be annulled, this has nothing to do with the legitimacy of the kids. The Church has always held that the kids are not responsible for the stupidity of their parents.

52 posted on 07/02/2004 8:27:20 AM PDT by pbear8 (Come Holy Spirit...descend upon Jay and his family)
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...and in pressing for an annulment he cast his daughters into the bizarre state of illegitimacy.

No he didn't.

(I hate Kerry as much as the next guy but this is an uninformed statement.)

53 posted on 07/02/2004 8:30:33 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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remember when the libs ripped Newt over far less serious circumstances affecting his separations?


58 posted on 07/02/2004 9:20:17 AM PDT by Steven W.
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Dumb question/observation here....wouldn't the book Julia Thorne wrote (while Sydney Bristow thought she was her on ALIAS!) have far more juicy detail out in the public forum than his records?


59 posted on 07/02/2004 9:23:30 AM PDT by Crimson Elephant
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According to the Catholic church the marriage isn't valid to it would make his children illegitimate but heck good luck explaining common sense to a Catholic.

Just curious but how come the Repuplican's SEALED records are exposed without their permission and John Kerry has NO judge helping journalists UNSEALING his divorce papers. The same reasoning was used for the Republican - spare the kids the dirt but with John Kerry they can not be unsealed - no journalist is pursuing it and NO judge is offering it to be "fair" politically speaking.


60 posted on 07/02/2004 9:26:58 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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I asked this very question in a different thread; "Does not
the annulment make his children retroactively illegitimate"?

what kind of man chooses his own self-interest over the
bastardy of his own children?


64 posted on 07/02/2004 9:51:19 AM PDT by smonk
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