Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

McCULLOUGH: KERRY CHOOSES ILLEGITIMACY FOR HIS DAUGHTERS
WMCA-NY ^ | 7.1.2004

Posted on 07/02/2004 4:11:13 AM PDT by KMC1

BOSTON - In 1995, already divorced from his first wife Julia Thorne, John Kerry pressed for an annulment. He didn't bother to tell Ms. Thorne. The church simply informed her by way of a letter that this was the case. Ms. Thorne had been severely depressed and near suicide when Kerry walked out on her, and in pressing for an annulment he cast his daughters into the bizarre state of illegitimacy. One of them was still a teen at the time.

Compare that to the Jack Ryan case where - BOTH - parents were arguing to keep the records sealed so that their 9 year old son could be spared the embarrassment of unsubstantiated allegations.

What's good for the Jack is good for the John!

(Excerpt) Read more at kmclive.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia; US: Illinois; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: annulment; catholiclist; divorcerecords; johnkerry; juliathorne; teresaheinz
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-74 next last
To: LadyDoc

"Kerry's first wife has a history of mental illness, depression, which would allow an annulment."

Not unless it affected her ability to understand and contract a valid marriage at the time of the vows. He married her for better or for worse, and subsequent medical problems are not grounds for annulment.

Heck, wouldn't being married to Kerry make anyone depressed?? ;)


41 posted on 07/02/2004 5:49:46 AM PDT by AMDG&BVMH
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: yankeedame
Granted things to do are no where near as bad for children of annulled marriages but still...why did Kerry do it? It would seem to me a secular divorce would -- and did -- solve the matter of his first marriage. Why the annulment as well? Perhaps his children sided with their mother and this was his way of "getting back" at them. I have no idea. But it does strike me as a mean, even vicious, thing for him to do to his own children.

Since Catholics do not recognize divorce, and Kerry wanted to get on the "gravy train," i.e. the former Mrs. Heinze, in order to marry in the Catholic religion, he needed an annulment. To all the Catholics out there, please correct me if I'm wrong, but if he were to marry without the annulment, wouldn't that preclude him from receiving the Sacrement?

Mark

42 posted on 07/02/2004 5:55:59 AM PDT by MarkL (The meek shall inherit the earth... But usually in plots 6' x 3' x 6' deep...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: PJ-Comix
I don't think the marriage of Joe Kennedy III was annulled. In fact, I seem to remember his (non-Catholic) wife standing up and making a big deal about it, and contesting it to the point that the annulment was rejected by the Catholic Church.

That's the one thing that seems fishy about this Kerry story. My understanding is that someone can't just decide to get the marriage annulled, and inform the spouse simply as a matter of course. The spouse is an integral part of the process, since the one seeking the annulment is trying to make the case that there was some kind of impediment to the marriage in the first place.

43 posted on 07/02/2004 6:03:20 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium . . . sed ego sum homo indomitus")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: AnAmericanMother

As mind boggling as that is, I believe it to be a correct interpretation of RC theology. The annulment says no sacramental marriage ever took place.

I'm not endorsing any of this, BTW, just giving information.


44 posted on 07/02/2004 6:05:35 AM PDT by Paul_B (Today presents opportunities which we will never see again.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: KMC1
when Kerry walked out on her, and in pressing for an annulment he cast his daughters into the bizarre state of illegitimacy. One of them was still a teen at the time.

The writer is WRONG! Annulment does not create illegitimacy any more than a divorce does.

I'm NOT for Jean alQuery, but just wanted to set the record straight, as this fiction about annulment and illegitimacy seems to pop up from time to time.

45 posted on 07/02/2004 7:03:47 AM PDT by SuziQ (Bush in 2004/Because we MUST!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: KMC1
"The church simply informed her by way of a letter that this was the case."

A no-class act. And again, someone please remind me here, is half of the electorate also classless?
46 posted on 07/02/2004 7:06:12 AM PDT by gathersnomoss
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: AnAmericanMother
The Sacrament of Matrimony, to be considered binding, has to be entered into freely, without reservations, and accepting the conditions required to make it a Sacrament; the intention of staying married until death do us part, not being coerced into the marriage, agreeing to raise children in the Catholic Church, and staying faithful to your spouse, etc. If any conditions existed at the time of the Sacrament that nullify it, the Sacrament is considered not to have been valid, and could be annuled.

For example, folks like to make a big deal about the Kennedy family annulments, saying that "sure they got theirs cause they gave a lot of money to the Church". The Kennedy men were never raised with the idea that staying faithful to your spouse was an important thing because they saw their father (Big Joe) continue to be unfaithful to their mother, so they treated their wives the same way. If they never had any intention to be faithful to their spouses, the Sacrament was never valid. And as far as I know, the Kennedys aren't particularly generous with the Church, anyway.

All this, however, has nothing to do with the legal contract entered into by the parties. A Catholic wedding doesn't take place without a legal Marriage License, so when the Sacrament is conferred, the priest or deacon is also acting as a agent of the State which issues the license. A divorce is the dissolution of the legal contract, but the Sacrament is still valid unless one of the parties can prove that is is not.

Either way, the legitimacy of the kids is not affected. They are the children of their parents whether their parents are divorced, or their marriage is annuled. Children are considered legitimage if their parents were legally married at the time of their birth. Whether or not they were married in any Church has no bearing on that legal state, and a change in the religious nature of the union doesn't affect the legal status of the children.

Hope I've explained it well enough.

47 posted on 07/02/2004 7:21:40 AM PDT by SuziQ (Bush in 2004/Because we MUST!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: gathersnomoss; All

The church informs the other party AND asks for their participation.

I would also like to state for all who are on this thread, that a SACRAMENTAL MARRIAGE is a STATE OF LIFE IN THE CHURCH. This is why, to those who look at this whole issue from a secular point of view, there is so much confusion.


48 posted on 07/02/2004 7:29:28 AM PDT by no more apples (God Bless our troops)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 46 | View Replies]

To: yankeedame
Granted things to do are no where near as bad for children of annulled marriages but still...why did Kerry do it?

He wasn't worried about an annulment in '91 when he and Thorne divorced. It wasn't until '95 when he was going to marry Tay that, on the sly, needed the annulment. I'm under the impression it was Ms. I-can't-believe-I-married-an-American who wanted the annulment.

49 posted on 07/02/2004 7:53:29 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: AnAmericanMother
An annulment has no effect on the legitimacy of the children

True or not, it doesn't matter. What matters is what people believe or what the concensus is. People believe Saddam was or wasn't involved in 9/11. People believe he had or didn't have WMD. People believe Clinton is or isn't the greatest president alive. People believe there is or isn't a Santa. And my pet peeve is people insist on calling the Branch Davidian thing "Waco" never mind that it wasn't in Waco or had anything to do with Waco other than that was the closest town large enough to house and feed all the LE and media.

50 posted on 07/02/2004 8:09:24 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: SuziQ

Thank you. That comports with my sort of vague understanding, but explains it much better.


51 posted on 07/02/2004 8:12:05 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of Venery (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 47 | View Replies]

To: KMC1
he cast his daughters into the bizarre state of illegitimacy.

Idiot newspeople trying to be theologians. The Sacrament of Holy Matrimony would be annulled, this has nothing to do with the legitimacy of the kids. The Church has always held that the kids are not responsible for the stupidity of their parents.

52 posted on 07/02/2004 8:27:20 AM PDT by pbear8 (Come Holy Spirit...descend upon Jay and his family)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: KMC1
...and in pressing for an annulment he cast his daughters into the bizarre state of illegitimacy.

No he didn't.

(I hate Kerry as much as the next guy but this is an uninformed statement.)

53 posted on 07/02/2004 8:30:33 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: AnAmericanMother

The Catholic church annulments do make the children illegitimate. My source is the book written by Joe Kennedy Jr.'s first wife where she fought his annulment claim for just that reason. She claimed it was so. I believe she won her case [within the Catholic church].


54 posted on 07/02/2004 8:43:58 AM PDT by hoosierpearl (He made a difference. RWR 1911-2004)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: Redmen4ever
The Catholic Church should NOT have granted the annulment to Kerry.

If it granted the annulment -- that's the question no one seems to have a definitive answer to. He's mentioned requesting an annulment, but weasels out of saying he actually got one.

55 posted on 07/02/2004 9:03:48 AM PDT by maryz
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

To: AMDG&BVMH
He married her for better or for worse,

I thought he married her for her money . . . (nasty snicker)

56 posted on 07/02/2004 9:04:55 AM PDT by maryz
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: MarkL
if he were to marry without the annulment, wouldn't that preclude him from receiving the Sacrement?

Absolutely. He would, in the eyes of the Church, be living in sin. (Of course, there's no indication that his marriage to Heinz was a Catholic wedding -- at least nothing anyone's been able to find; the wedding didn't take place in a church, in any case -- so he may well be married outside the church in any case.)

57 posted on 07/02/2004 9:07:43 AM PDT by maryz
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: KMC1

remember when the libs ripped Newt over far less serious circumstances affecting his separations?


58 posted on 07/02/2004 9:20:17 AM PDT by Steven W.
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: KMC1

Dumb question/observation here....wouldn't the book Julia Thorne wrote (while Sydney Bristow thought she was her on ALIAS!) have far more juicy detail out in the public forum than his records?


59 posted on 07/02/2004 9:23:30 AM PDT by Crimson Elephant
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: KMC1

According to the Catholic church the marriage isn't valid to it would make his children illegitimate but heck good luck explaining common sense to a Catholic.

Just curious but how come the Repuplican's SEALED records are exposed without their permission and John Kerry has NO judge helping journalists UNSEALING his divorce papers. The same reasoning was used for the Republican - spare the kids the dirt but with John Kerry they can not be unsealed - no journalist is pursuing it and NO judge is offering it to be "fair" politically speaking.


60 posted on 07/02/2004 9:26:58 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-74 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson