Posted on 07/01/2004 11:06:42 AM PDT by NavySEAL F-16
Yeah, right. And in WWII, Korea, and Vietnam, we were "in a war with individuals that hate our country, our people, and our way of life, and that these individuals are using their interpretation of" (fill in the ideology of the moment) ...
It's just hateful "individuals." It's a good thing you're not dogmatic, and that you are willfully ignorant of Islam (try reading the Hadith, for edification).
This guy must have read Ann Coulter's columns' of late.
He hasn't stated anything new that Ann hasn't repeated over and over. And even tho common sense and a little peaking under the covers couldn't help but bring anyone not drinking the lib kool-aid to the same conclusions, Ann is rebuffed on pure partisanship.
Granted his previous title and the audience he gave this speech to hold more political clout then Ann's column'S', but none the less, the sustance is identical.
How much more screaming can we do about imposing a religious profile aimed at militant islam? Which one of our gutless politicians will finally put his or her neck out to fight this insane denial of common sense? How easy is it for an entire civilian clad jihadist sect to board a plane en force when only 4 are allowed scrutiny at any given time on any 'one' plane?
The answer - When "feel good" politics is finally eradicated, we might be able once again to live without fear, with defined dignity and with something we haven't had in centuries - common sense!
Yeah, yeah, yeah, i know the corruption factor, intimidation factor, bigotry factor and cronyism factor could sky rocket because of it, but better minds then mine need to be put to solving those problems concurrently.
Actually, I think it will be interesting to compare this with what the 9/11 commission's final report states. I am never sure exactly where Lehman stands on some issues.
Islam will not have the Reformation that Christianity had. They truly believe that eveything in the Koran came from Allah to Mohammad, so how could it be wrong and need reforming? How many Christians are killing people today because the "Old Testament" told them to? And, if there should be, we, as Christians, denounce it.
To say that such statements are rarities would be generous.
In a lot of ways, its more like say, Protestant Christians vs. the Church of the Creator, but there are a lot more violent IslamoFascists vs. moderate Muslims that there are CotC members vs. Protestants.
I hope you aren't serious. Most of the Muslims in Saudi Arabia are Wahabbis. Muslims in most of the other target countries are far more fundamentalist than those here, and more sympathetic to the militant terrorists. Read Lehman's speech again.
Unfortunately, President Bush has decided fight a politically correct war rather than taking out hate-spewing imams and their madrissas and mosques.
I agree, but they are inundating Europe as we speak, with little being done there as well. President Bush is failing to do 2 things: Tell the American people that militant Islam is our enemy and is growing at an astonishing rate, and 2) We are in Iraq to prevent the weaker nations (especially Saudi Arabia and Pakistan) from falling to these militants.
I dunno, color me arrogant, but the commission is such a joke it's already totally irrelevant. Previous investigative commissions have given insight to problems through the sum total of their panel knowledge.
The 911 commission is a puppeteer troupe when collectively seated with a glaring instigator in the form of Gorelick. With her still on the panel, individual thought cannot be assumed, otherwise she would have been replaced 20 minutes after Ashcroft's testimony.
Good suggestion.
I hope they follow your advice.
bttt
MM will be waiting with a straw. (sorry for the visual)
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No, the problem is that this violence is contained in Muslim scripture, and the truly "orthodox" (i.e, terrorist) Muslims can point to this and say that the heart of Islam is terrorism, and that Islam is both a political and a religious system. This silences moderate "cultural" Muslims.
Nobody can say that about Christianity. Jesus was very clear on the division between Caesar and God - although many times in the past, the State has tried to use the Church, and the Church has tried to used the State. But all of these things were aberrations, with no Scriptural support. Look at Calvinism, Lutheranism, and even the Anglican Church, when they became "state religions." The Catholic Church was constantly going head-to-head with the State (well, until the advent of the Democratic Party, which seems to have become the New Vatican), but was often overruled or manipulated by powerful Catholic rulers in various countries.
However, neither Protestants or Catholics could ever say that Jesus told them that the Church should replace the civil order, and I am sure that everybody knew, deep down inside, that the Church and the State are separate, and were separated by Jesus Christ.
Jews know this now, but they didn't know it in the past; Islam, being a pagan syncretist cult, has never known it, and the sad thing is that "moderate Muslims" are not the ones who really understand Islam. The ones who really understand it are the radical Islamics. Until the "moderates"can deal with this problem (which I don't think possible, given their scriptures), radicals will always hold the field.
Your statement has a fatal internal contradiction: if we were not in a religious war, such "support" would not be forthcoming.
This is a point worth repeating. Recall how early after 9/11, Bush mentioned the "c" word (crusade) and everyone almost flipped out around the world.
I think the administration knows damned well what the battle is, but the last thing you do is tell your enemy the game plan, especially when the opposition political party in your own country seems to have thrown patriotism out the window.
I think Bush's constantly referring to non-radical Islam in reverent terms is good strategy for disorienting the enemy, when you consider that the enemy is also engaged in a fight to win hearts and minds of the uncommitted.
I do not believe that we are in a religious war. I believe that we are in a war with individuals that hate our country, our people, and our way of life, and that these individuals are using their interpretation of the Islamic faith, among other things, to rally support.
We can hope it is so. It definitely seems this way. I think, however, there is more to it than meets the eye. We have 'individuals' who are using their interpretation of Islam. Yes. Not that many if compared to 1.2bn of total Muslim population. We have 1.2bn Muslim population who if do not openly support terrorism, then silently ignore it for a variety of reasons: some of them are sympathetic to terrorism, some of them are too afraid to protest, some of them are so brainwashed by their media, religious leaders and governments, that they don’t know what is really happening.
We also have some European states that lost their power last century. They would give a lot to get the lost influence back. Unfortunately, the traditional European approach to the international politics is to transfer the contention to some other places (Middle East and North Africa are the most traditional places). The typical approach is to find the strongest power and start chipping away its strength. The traditional methods include covertly supporting the enemies of the current power, agitprop directed at their own population whereby they depict the current power as some sort of subhumans that are morally and intellectually inferior to them.
The economically and politically dysfunctional regimes of the Muslim world (with probably one or two exceptions) create the most favorable circumstances for such power quests. The US is not exactly alone in this fight, there are allies. However, the world needs to change really a lot before the allies can be considered a powerful counterbalance to their opponents.
Then there is always Russia. Those guys are on the mission of their own. They are only looking after their own interests, making and breaking the alliances as they see fit without any moral constraints.
I am inclined to treat these muddy waters as a beginning of the Cold War II:
Lets not play semantic games, christianity and judaism both have had their violent religious periods, then reformers tamed the zealots and the religions are able to live in peace in the same community. (By and large)
Islam lives in peace until they become strong. Watch what happens when France's muslims become a majority. (Mohammad even teaches this, as he made peace until his army was strong.) Islam has not had their reformation. The muslims who could live in peace can be converted to acceptance of violence by the weight of the koran and the sheer number of passages that say Islam must win the world. It could be said that the inactive muslims are only waiting to see who will win.
Until that change in Islam that allows Islam to believe that other religions are worthy of equal access to life and happiness , it will be a religious war. (And it will only come with the defeat of the jihadists)
"Outstanding."
Yes, this is great, the true, unspun, truth. This man should run for president (in '08, of course) and just give this same speech over and over.
People need to hear this, and the media will never tell them.
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