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Defiant Saddam Rejects War Crimes Charges
Associated Press ^ | 7/1/04 | HAMZA HENDAWI

Posted on 07/01/2004 5:58:01 AM PDT by TexKat

BAGHDAD, Iraq - A defiant Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) rejected charges of war crimes and genocide against him in a court appearance Thursday, telling a judge "this is all theater, the real criminal is Bush," according to a reporter in an official media pool.

Saddam's hands were cuffed when he was brought to the court but the shackles were removed for the 30-minute arraignment at Camp Victory, a former Saddam palace on the outskirts of Baghdad.

"I am Saddam Hussein, the president of Iraq," Saddam twice said, according to the CNN reporter, who described him as alternately downcast and defiant. Other times, he appeared confused.

In his first public appearance since he was captured seven months ago, Saddam refused to sign a list of charges against him unless a lawyer was present, and he questioned the court's jurisdiction, according to the reporter. Saddam defended the invasion of Kuwait, saying it was "for the Iraqi people."

The seven broad charges against Saddam are the killing of religious figures in 1974; gassing of Kurds in Halabja in 1988; killing the Kurdish Barzani clan in 1983; killing members of political parties in the last 30 years; the 1986-88 "Anfal" campaign of displacing Kurds; the suppression of the 1991 uprisings by Kurds and Shiites; and the 1990 invasion of Kuwait.

Specific charges will be filed later, Iraqi officials said. Those charges were expected to include war crimes, genocide and crimes against humanity. A formal indictment with specific charges is expected later, said Salem Chalabi, director of the Iraqi Special Tribunal. The trial is not expected until 2005.

Saddam wore a gray, pinstriped suit with an open-collar white shirt and black shoes. His beard was trimmed and he had heavy bags under his eyes, according to the first televised images of his appearance. He sat calmly, occasionally gesturing with his hands while addressing the court.

Saddam sometimes took notes on a piece of yellow paper and gestured with his hands. He was wearing a white with no tie and a charcoal-colored pinstriped jacket. He often stroked his trimmed beard and appeared thoughtful.

Saddam was flown by helicopter from an undisclosed location and driven to a courtroom on a U.S. base, the report said. He was led from an armored bus escorted by two Iraqi prison guards and ushered through a door guarded by six more Iraqi policemen. The bus was escorted by four Humvees and an ambulance.

Strict pool arrangements severely limited media access to the hearing.

"The next legal step would be that the investigations start proper with investigative judges and investigators beginning the process of gathering evidence," Chalabi said. "Down the line, there will be an indictment, if there is enough evidence — obviously, and a timetable starts with respect to a trial date."

Saddam and 11 of his top lieutenants were transferred to Iraqi custody Wednesday. They no longer are prisoners of war but are still locked up, with U.S. forces as their jailers.

"They were surprised that they were told they're in Iraqi custody," Chalabi told AP Radio.

President Ghazi al-Yawer told an Arab newspaper that Iraq's new government has decided to reinstate the death penalty, which was suspended during the U.S. occupation.

U.S. and Iraqi officials hope the trial will lay bare the atrocities of Saddam's regime and help push the country toward normalcy after years of tyranny, the U.S.-led invasion and the insurgency that blossomed in its aftermath.

But the trial could have the opposite effect, possibly widening the chasm among Iraq's disparate groups — Kurds, Shiites and Sunnis.

"It's going to be the trial of the century," National Security Adviser Mouwafak al-Rubaie told Associated Press Television News. "Everybody is going to watch this trial, and we are going to demonstrate to the outside world that we in the new Iraq are going to be an example of what the new Iraq is all about."

Wednesday's transfer of legal custody took place in secret. Chalabi said the defendants were brought one-by-one into a room at an undisclosed location and informed of the change in their status to criminal suspects. They were told they will appear in court within 24 hours to hear charges, he said.

According to Chalabi, the 67-year-old Saddam said, "Good morning," as he entered the room, listened to the official explanation, and was told he could respond to complaints Thursday. He then was hustled away.

"Some of them looked very worried," Chalabi said of the other defendants, who include former Deputy Prime Minister Tariq Aziz, the regime's best-known spokesman in the West; Ali Hasan al-Majid, known as "Chemical Ali;" and former Vice President Taha Yassin Ramadan.

The initial proceedings are taking place under a blanket of secrecy because of fears that insurgents, many of them Saddam supporters, might exact revenge on participants.

U.S. and Iraqi officials refused to say where Thursday's hearing would take place or release the name of the presiding judge. No pictures will be allowed of any Iraqi participants — except for the defendants — to protect them from attack. Only a few journalists will be allowed to attend.

Issam Ghazawi, a member of Saddam's defense team, said he received threats in a telephone call Wednesday from someone claiming to be a minister of justice, who promised that anyone trying to defend Saddam would be "chopped to pieces."

U.S. officials had hoped to delay proceedings against Saddam until the Iraqis set up a special court and trained a legal team. But Prime Minister Iyad Allawi, whose government regained sovereignty Monday, insisted publicly on taking legal custody of Saddam quickly. The Americans agreed on condition they keep him under U.S. lock and key.

Trying Saddam and top regime figures presents a major challenge to the Iraqis and their American backers.

Allawi's government is due to leave office after January elections, and a second national ballot will be held by December 2005. That raises the possibility that national policy on the prosecution of Saddam and his backers could change depending on the makeup of the government.

Most of Iraq's 25 million people were overjoyed when Saddam's regime collapsed, and many are looking forward to the day he will be punished.

"Everyone all over the world agrees that Saddam Hussein should be put on trial in front of the Iraqi people," Baghdad resident Ahmad al-Lami said.

However, the turmoil of the past 14 months has led to a longing for the stability and order of the ousted dictatorship, at least among Sunni Arab Muslims who now feel threatened by the possibility of a Shiite-dominated government.

Nostalgia for Saddam — a Sunni — is strongest in Sunni-dominated parts of the country most heavily involved in the insurgency.

"Saddam Hussein was a national hero and better than the traitors in the new government," a resident of Saddam's hometown of Tikrit told APTN, refusing to give his name.

In Fallujah, an insurgent stronghold west of Baghdad, resident Ammar Mohammed suggested the Americans should be put on trial first because they "killed thousands of Iraqis in one year of occupation."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: fryhisass; iraqijustice; iraqitrial; prisonersaddam; saddamhussein; warcrimes
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To: sarasota
"this is all theater, the real criminal is Bush"

He's channeling Michael Moore.

41 posted on 07/01/2004 6:37:28 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Mullahs swinging from lamp posts.....)
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To: MEG33; swarthyguy; Ragtime Cowgirl; Americanwolf; Dog; Grampa Dave

Ping


42 posted on 07/01/2004 6:37:33 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Everybody

It wasnt me, it was one of those other saddam look alikes.


43 posted on 07/01/2004 6:38:37 AM PDT by irishsoldier (SHOOT MOVE COMMUNICATE.....HOOAH!!!!)
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To: COUNTrecount
Actually if you check the photo of when he was captured, his hair was dark then, just his beard was gray.

I had to go back and look at the picture to check and see if he had dyed his hair for the court appearance.

44 posted on 07/01/2004 6:38:55 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: sarasota

Saddam Hussein, John Kerry, Teddy Kennedy, Hillery Clinton, Michael Moore, etc., all the same low life vermin and scum!


45 posted on 07/01/2004 6:38:57 AM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX
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To: Psalm 73
LOL, great for the photoshoppers. Saddam in an Iraqi court wearing a Kerry For President T-Shirt.
46 posted on 07/01/2004 6:39:13 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: TexKat

"...this is all theater, the real criminal is Bush,..."

Sounds like he's seen Farten-hurt 9-11 a few too many times.
Also sounds like a lib-dem talking point.

He's a devil; kill him. Let him rot in hell with his miscreant sons.


47 posted on 07/01/2004 6:40:49 AM PDT by 7.62 x 51mm (• Veni • Vidi • Vino •)
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To: TexKat

Hope he goes all Hermann Georing on us.


48 posted on 07/01/2004 6:42:08 AM PDT by Skooz (My Biography: Psalm 40:1-3)
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To: TexKat
Issam Ghazawi, a member of Saddam's defense team, said he received threats in a telephone call Wednesday from someone claiming to be a minister of justice, who promised that anyone trying to defend Saddam would be "chopped to pieces."

Not possible, since we know from "Reuters" that Iraqis preferred Saddam to Bush's Imperial Occupation.

49 posted on 07/01/2004 6:42:41 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Mullahs swinging from lamp posts.....)
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To: mass55th

"Saddam's comments were extremely reminiscent of Bill Clinton's. Both are sociopaths who blame everyone else for their troubles, both are self-immersed, and both are totally in denial."

Most prescient comment of the day, so far.


50 posted on 07/01/2004 6:44:21 AM PDT by 7.62 x 51mm (• Veni • Vidi • Vino •)
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To: prairiebreeze; windchime

Iraqi men watch an Arabic TV channel in a Baghdad coffee shop, July 1, 2004, showing their ousted leader, Saddam Hussein in courtroom. Downcast but defiant, Saddam refused to recognize its authority and said the 'real criminal' was U.S. President George W. Bush. REUTERS/Ali Jasim


51 posted on 07/01/2004 6:45:40 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat

I sure hope they can protect themselves and the b*****d until the 2005 trial, so they can execute him in style.


52 posted on 07/01/2004 6:49:30 AM PDT by AmericanChef
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To: mass55th
Did he borrow that orange jump suit from Susan McDougal?

The orange jumpsuits seem to have a totally different meaning in Iraq. Everyone that I have seen lately in Iraq in an orange jumpsuit have meet their demise, some unfortunately.

53 posted on 07/01/2004 6:49:58 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: AmericanChef
I sure hope they can protect themselves and the b*****d until the 2005 trial, so they can execute him in style.

I wish they could put a rush job on it.

54 posted on 07/01/2004 6:51:27 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat

Saddam is still Saddam as I heard an Iraqi said he would be...The swagger was missing..the defiance was there...I rather enjoyed his attempts to assert his "rule" and then have to listen to the judge.


55 posted on 07/01/2004 6:52:13 AM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security)
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To: dawn53

If you look real close, you can see a panty line at his forehead.


56 posted on 07/01/2004 6:54:22 AM PDT by Gator113
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To: TexKat
Re#51, 2nd photo of the Iraqis watching:

You have to wonder what is going throught the people's minds. This animal's face was on the only TV, front page of every newspaper, in every town, on the money, in kiddie's textbooks and otherwise omnipresent for over 25 years. 1 in 6 Iraqis know someone killed, mutilated or tortured by his regime. Now, they watch him receiving charges like any other criminal (save for the high profile). What are they thinking? Bless the innocents and may justice be done...

57 posted on 07/01/2004 6:54:49 AM PDT by eureka! (May karma come back to the presstitutes and Rats in a material way.....)
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To: TexKat

58 posted on 07/01/2004 6:55:32 AM PDT by farfromhome (Was Clinton a good president? That depends on what your definition of 'was' is.)
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To: eureka!

They probably thought this day would never happen. That even the most powerful tyrants in the end must submit to the rule of law and be held to account for their crimes. Its a turning point in Iraq's history and in the history of the Middle East.


59 posted on 07/01/2004 6:57:49 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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A U.S. Army soldier, who refered to himself only as Sgt. Garcia, watches a TV, in Baghdad, Iraq, Thursday, July 1, 2004, showing the former Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein appearing at a court hearing. (AP Photo/Hussein Malla)

Kuwaitis Redha Sardar, right, and Tareq Bu Hemit listen intently to reports that Saddam Hussein called Kuwaitis 'dogs' during his court appearence, while following the proceedings of Iraq ex president's trial at the Arab desk of KUNA (Kuwait News Agency) in Kuwait City on Thursday July 1, 2004. (AP Photo/Gustavo Ferrari)

U.S. Army soldiers watch in Baghdad, Thursday, July 1, 2004, as former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein appears on TV at a courtroom hearing at Camp Victory, a former Saddam palace on the outskirts of Baghdad, Iraq. (AP Photo/Hussein Malla)

Iraqis watch in an electonics store as former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein appeared at a courtroom hearing at Camp Victory on the outskirts of Baghdad, Iraq Thursday, July 1, 2004.(AP Photo/Hadi Mizban)

60 posted on 07/01/2004 7:01:08 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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