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Proposal for a New Political Party
Vanity | 6-30-04 | Self

Posted on 06/30/2004 8:21:46 AM PDT by Protagoras

Current Political parties try to be all things to all people and end up being nothing to anyone. The differences between the two major parties are essentially those of scope and detail.

A new party may be the answer, but only if it is unlike the others in essence.

No more than six simple planks in the entire platform. Narrow in focus, leaving individual candidates to have differing positions on all issue which are not covered in the six.

Keeping it simple, working 24/7 to enact the narrow goals. Any candidate who wavers would be repudiated.


TOPICS: Government; Miscellaneous; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: cheesemooseparty; constitution; democrat; green; libertarian; monsterravinglooney; republican; whatever
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To: PersonalLiberties
Exactly, you need an awesome fundraising machine to get anywhere.

This party would need the backing of monied, principled, experienced people. Such people exist. Convincing them would be neither easy nor impossible.

It has to start somewhere. Could be here, could be now. Not likely, but possible.

101 posted on 06/30/2004 12:07:14 PM PDT by Protagoras (government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem." ...Ronald Reagan, 1981)
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To: labard1
It's not about this election, it's about the future of this country.

It can't go the way it has been going.

The Republicans have done some things right. But they are going generally in the wrong direction.

The country is going in the wrong direction.

102 posted on 06/30/2004 12:15:10 PM PDT by Protagoras (government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem." ...Ronald Reagan, 1981)
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To: Capitalism2003
Of course, the LP would steal people's right to determine what kind of a society they are to live in, and would violently mandate the toleration of evil. That is why they get a fraction of a percent of the vote every four years.
103 posted on 06/30/2004 12:15:11 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad
This isn't about the Libertarian party, or any other personal agenda you have. Don't try to hijack this thread.

Make a contribution or disappear. Thanks

104 posted on 06/30/2004 12:17:32 PM PDT by Protagoras (government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem." ...Ronald Reagan, 1981)
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To: Protagoras
Nice organic idea, there. "Hey, there's money out there to fund this thing. We just gotta figure out what it is first!"
105 posted on 06/30/2004 12:19:28 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: All

I'll be back in one hour. Thanks for the honest contributions.


106 posted on 06/30/2004 12:19:38 PM PDT by Protagoras (government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem." ...Ronald Reagan, 1981)
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To: Protagoras

Well, *equality before the law* is about as specific as you can get, even though it's the premise for almost everything else in the way of true freedom.

Without that concept, which has been lost, thanks to the Left, everything else is lost.

I like your planks anyway, though.


107 posted on 06/30/2004 12:19:41 PM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: Cultural Jihad

It's been posted, read it and comment, don't pretend it's something else.


108 posted on 06/30/2004 12:20:56 PM PDT by Protagoras (government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem." ...Ronald Reagan, 1981)
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To: Protagoras
You must have meant to send that to the person who brought up the LP in the first place.
109 posted on 06/30/2004 12:21:21 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Protagoras
Where has it been established which 6 planks the 'Me-ocratic Party' or whatever would have?
110 posted on 06/30/2004 12:23:38 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: ksen; Protagoras
The part about getting out of the U.N. could fall under the "Defend Borders" plank.

I agree. In fact, both of those plus the military could be rolled into 'protect American sovereignty"

111 posted on 06/30/2004 12:24:47 PM PDT by Sloth (We cannot defeat foreign enemies of the Constitution if we yield to the domestic ones.)
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To: Protagoras; Kaslin; Dane
You are going about it all wrong. The idea of coming up with a small number of issues is an okay one, but you have to lay the groundwork correctly.

What is the mindset which will resonate with people? What is the foundation of this mindset? What is the underlying basis or assumptions which the vast majority of people of goodwill will say 'Right on' to when they hear it? Once you find that formula then all the rest will fall into place naturally.

All 3rd parties fail because their foundations are corrupted or based upon vices or lies.

112 posted on 06/30/2004 12:32:29 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Correct on all counts.


113 posted on 06/30/2004 12:34:41 PM PDT by lodwick (B.L.O.A.T.)
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To: Protagoras
Re your reply. There is a talk show host in Boston, Jay Severin, who uses the word "masturbatory" to characterize such ideas where there is no realistic thought going on. Ideas are great but you know what is said about ideas and a**holes, everybody's got one and they usually stink.

It is not an idea that will change the political landscape but a movement following a strong individual with ideas that can attract more followers leading to a victorious election. The set of ideas alone will never win without a mechanism and leadership, if you will, to see it through to fruition. I suspect, you like I have had many ideas in our lives but they have passed us by because we were not of mind or means to see them through.

There could be a great party of a thousand folk with great intentions but without any influence until they can attract several thousand times as many believers. Ideas don't lead people, people do.
114 posted on 06/30/2004 12:41:45 PM PDT by Final Authority
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To: Protagoras
The biggest problem to this - you need a very very high profile candidate, to even have a chance.

Think Teddy Roosevelt in 1912. Of course, his deciding his former protege Taft and the Republican party had strayed from what he believed in, turned things into a three-way race. That became a two-way race between Wilson and Roosevelt, and with Taft and the Republican party siphoning off enough votes, Wilson got the win.

Believe me, I would love for a legitimate third or even fourth party to come around and force the GOP back to its roots, but I'm not the only one to say that I'd rather vote Republican than see a democrat win, even if it's for a RINO.

If you can find your Teddy Roosevelt, you've got a shot. Democrats bitched about Nader, but they conventiently forget that a few hundred thousand registered democrats voted for Bush in Florida.

115 posted on 06/30/2004 12:44:30 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: Final Authority

"Were it necessary to bring a majority into a comprehension of the libertarian philosophy, the cause of liberty would be utterly hopeless. Every significant movement in history has been led by one or just a few individuals with a small minority of energetic supporters." – Leonard E. Read

"Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a more just master." – Sallust

"When the government's boot is on your throat, whether it is a left boot or a right boot is of no consequence." – Gary Lloyd

"No snowflake in an avalanche ever feels responsible." – Stanislaw J. Lec

"The saddest epitaph which can be carved in memory of a vanished liberty is that it was lost because its possessors failed to stretch forth a saving hand while yet there was time." – Justice George Sutherland (1938)

"I shall exert every faculty I possess in aiding to prevent the Constitution from being nullified, destroyed, or impaired; and even though I should see it fail, I will still, with a voice feeble, perhaps, but earnest as ever issued from human lips, and with extinguish, call on the people to come to its rescue." – Daniel Webster

"Given man's nature, freedom will always be in jeopardy, and the only question that need concern each of us is if and how well we took our stand in its defense during the short period of time when we were potentially a part of the struggle." – Benjamin Rogge

"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man and brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot." – Mark Twain


116 posted on 06/30/2004 12:56:22 PM PDT by Capitalism2003 (America is too great for small dreams. - Ronald Reagan, speech to Congress. January 1, 1984.)
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To: Capitalism2003

I dearly love Milton Friedman who has probably done more than anyone outside Ronald Reagan to CONVINCE people to move toward more conservative, more libertarian ideas. He has championed many ideas that had NO chance of adoption at the time he first espoused them. He began promoting vouchers for public schools over 40 years ago, and almost no one treated the idea seriously for decades.

But, although Friedman was extraordinarily prolific in developing ideas to promote liberty and a more prosperous republic, he has always understood that the chance to implement ideas lies within the existing parties. He supported Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan. To the best of my knowledge, he has NEVER supported the development of a new conservative/libertarian party, even though he knew that neither party would support many of his ideas for decades.


117 posted on 06/30/2004 1:08:30 PM PDT by labard1
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To: Cultural Jihad
You must have meant to send that to the person who brought up the LP in the first place.

No, I told him straight off. Then I told you.

118 posted on 06/30/2004 1:12:06 PM PDT by Protagoras (government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem." ...Ronald Reagan, 1981)
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To: Protagoras
1. Aboilish the income tax and the IRS and repeal the 16th amendment.
2. Return ALL sovereignty back to the states.
3. Abandon participation in U.N. or other such organizations.
4. Term limits for ALL Federally elected officials to 2 terms.
5. Strong Miltary that will protect OUR borders.
6. Make ALL Federally elected officials take a drug test.

I know, I know, you think number 6 is funny, but...if we made them do this we could eliminate at least half of them in 1 single wack!!


119 posted on 06/30/2004 1:14:23 PM PDT by unixfox (Close the borders, problems solved!)
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To: af_vet_rr
The biggest problem to this - you need a very very high profile candidate, to even have a chance.

It's not about a candidate. It's not about any particular election.

It's about a new party with a new focus. It's not about forcing any party back into the fold.

120 posted on 06/30/2004 1:14:37 PM PDT by Protagoras (government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem." ...Ronald Reagan, 1981)
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