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Custer's Last Stand: Little Bighorn.June 25, 1876
Historic Traveller.Com ^ | 6/25/2004 | Primedia

Posted on 06/25/2004 7:09:26 AM PDT by ijcr

Like the battle at the Alamo, the one fought at the Little Bighorn has entered the realm where history and legend merge. The basic facts are these: on June 25, 1876, seventh U.S. Cavalry troops commanded by Lieutenant Colonel George Armstrong Custer came upon history's largest known encampment of Indians beside the Little Bighorn River.

In the battle that followed, Custer and all the men with him—more than 260—were wiped out by the Sioux warriors of Chiefs Sitting Bull and Crazy Horse as well as Cheyenne warriors.

Ironically, the Native Americans' victory hastened their own downfall, as Custer's loss motivated the U.S. government to move even more aggressively against the Indians.

In a sense, Custer never died. Scores of books and movies have been dedicated to his "Last Stand," and even today the battlefield site is the subject of controversy.

Through the 1980s, the National Monument was called the Custer Battlefield, and events were interpreted in favor of Custer and his men.

In 1991 the Park Service changed the name to Little Bighorn Battlefield to introduce a more balanced interpretation of events. A memorial planned to commemorate the Indians who died in the battle promises a neutral interpretation, although its critics charge that it tips the scale too far the other way.

Gravestones mark the last stand of Custer and his men.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; US: Montana
KEYWORDS: 7thcalvary; americanindians; custer; history; littlebighorn; sioux
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To: junta

Should read; one of the books I own that deals with Custer and his Sioux opposites.


81 posted on 06/25/2004 9:21:11 AM PDT by junta
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To: Chad Fairbanks
There was a lot of controversy regarding placement of all of those establishments. There was even more controversy regarding where the proceeds/profits go. Unfortunately, they don't go back to the Agency (at least not to the real needs), leaving most people angry and bitter.

The more my wife had to deal with government agencies growing up, the more conservative she became (Silver lining alert).

82 posted on 06/25/2004 9:21:31 AM PDT by Troublemaker
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To: OrioleFan

According to the journals and reports Sgt Kanipe was dispatched to locate the pack train.

Trooper Giovanni Martini was given the Benteen message to carry, the fact of Martini's poor English caused Lt. Cooke to write it down.

The two soldiers were the sole survivors of the Last Stand.


83 posted on 06/25/2004 9:24:24 AM PDT by ijcr (Age and treachery will always overcome youth and ability.)
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To: Chad Fairbanks

"They awarded something like 24 - TWENTY-FOUR - CMOHs to men at Little Big Horn..."

Really? I never heard that.


84 posted on 06/25/2004 9:24:40 AM PDT by Badeye ("The day you stop learning, is the day you begin dying")
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To: Badeye

Yup.


85 posted on 06/25/2004 9:24:56 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (Welfare's purpose should be to eliminate, as far as possible, the need for its own existence.)
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To: Red Badger
Why is this referred to as a "massacre"?

The Indians took no prisoners and slaughtered all the wounded. Nature of aboriginal warfare, I suppose, but it made for hard feelings.

86 posted on 06/25/2004 9:25:42 AM PDT by sphinx
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To: BlueLancer

I doubt somebody like Custer would go insane over losing Troopers. If he was that easily pushed over the edge, it would have happened during the Civil War in my opinion, not 15 years later in South Dakota.

Interesting premise though.


87 posted on 06/25/2004 9:26:34 AM PDT by Badeye ("The day you stop learning, is the day you begin dying")
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To: Troublemaker
more conservative she became

and about ten times tougher than you :o).

88 posted on 06/25/2004 9:27:13 AM PDT by BookmanTheJanitor
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To: BlueLancer; All

I agree.

This is a good book.

It sounds like Custer's troops fought with good unit integrity and fire discipline until their carbines starting suffering from extraction failure. The level of fire fell off dramatically and the Sioux moved in for the kill.


89 posted on 06/25/2004 9:28:02 AM PDT by MplsSteve
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To: PJ-Comix

Yep...as was "Little Big Man" and dozens of other films.

And the TV movie from a few years back....can't remember the name.


90 posted on 06/25/2004 9:28:22 AM PDT by Badeye ("The day you stop learning, is the day you begin dying")
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To: Troublemaker

I think it's controversial, too, and I probably won't like what I see when I visit the site, but as I said - You see that kind of thing at nearly every historical site nowadays. Sad...

(Glad to hear about your wife ;0))


91 posted on 06/25/2004 9:30:24 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (Welfare's purpose should be to eliminate, as far as possible, the need for its own existence.)
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet

Uh-oh LOL


92 posted on 06/25/2004 9:31:26 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (Welfare's purpose should be to eliminate, as far as possible, the need for its own existence.)
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To: ijcr

It took me a minute to understand your comment. ;9)

We lived on the edge of the Yorktown battlefield, we have been to Gettysburg, Big Horn & various battlefields across the south. I am always struck by the energy I feel there even tho the sites are quiet & peaceful. May be my overactive imagination.


93 posted on 06/25/2004 9:32:07 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: ijcr; Chad Fairbanks; commish; laotzu; Sunshine Sister; Godzilla
In some ways Custer has gotten a worse rap then he deserves regarding this battle. Some comments:

** Custer had fought numerous battles against Indians and was almost always badly out numbered. However, due to superior weaponry and to a lesser extent better training and discipline, he was always victorious. Truth is, usually the Indians would hit and then run after a few shots and/or casualties.

** The Indians at LBH was a far more massive contingent then anticipated. This was due to the Indians discussing a change in strategy and tactics (combining forces against a common enemy for example). The Indians made an adjustment in their battlefield tactics, Custer did not. That was his fatal mistake.

** Most of the soldiers of the Seventh Calvary were new immigrants to the USA, many were not fluent in English and thus confusion under pressure, was not uncommon. These men, for the most part, were not highly trained, experienced soldiers. They were instead a mixture of young immigrants who turned to being a soldier to help provide a steady (though meager) income.

** If one goes to to LBH and stands at the monument, facing the river, a better picture of what happened is illustrated by the crosses, memorials to the fallen soldiers. Near the banks of the river where the battle started is the first group, near the top, at the monument is the final group. In between is a line of crosses in an irregular line showing where each soldier fell.
Badly outnumbered, it is clear what their intention was, head for the high ground and fight back to back, with dead horses as coverage. Few made it to the top.
The sight of the crosses and the line they paint of death, confusion, heroism, combined with fear is a very moving sight indeed.

94 posted on 06/25/2004 9:35:11 AM PDT by Michael.SF. ('President Reagan has died, but don't lower the flag until we have too'.....DNC)
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To: Badeye
Archaeologists disagree constantly over evidence. Eye witness accounts are far superior. Even video is subject to different interpretations...Rodney King....Michael Moore. The History Channel does not dispel myths but creates new ones. By digging in the dirt, one searches for clues to be applied to a whole picture not for a complete narative account of a battle. There is not much good history on the History Channel. I'll stick with Chief Low Dog's account of the battle over some "new" evidence which is subject to many challenges. Many Indian accounts are not quoted in full anymore because they admired their enemy Custer.
95 posted on 06/25/2004 9:35:15 AM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (France kicked Germany's teeth out at Verdun among other places.)
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To: Badeye
Archaeologists disagree constantly over evidence. Eye witness accounts are far superior. Even video is subject to different interpretations...Rodney King....Michael Moore. The History Channel does not dispel myths but creates new ones. By digging in the dirt, one searches for clues to be applied to a whole picture not for a complete narative account of a battle. There is not much good history on the History Channel. I'll stick with Chief Low Dog's account of the battle over some "new" evidence which is subject to many challenges. Many Indian accounts are not quoted in full anymore because they admired their enemy Custer.
96 posted on 06/25/2004 9:36:50 AM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (France kicked Germany's teeth out at Verdun among other places.)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
You see that kind of thing at nearly every historical site nowadays. Sad..

It is sad. The land means so much more to many on the Agency.

97 posted on 06/25/2004 9:39:08 AM PDT by Troublemaker
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To: Monterrosa-24

"Archaeologists disagree constantly over evidence. Eye witness accounts are far superior."

Sorry, eye witness testimony is simply the most suspect of all in court. Its been shown countless times.

And you are not citing "eyewitness testimony" when relating accounts from the various Tribes involved, you are citing by definition fourth to seventh party "hearsay".

The fact you believe eyewitness testimony is "superior" to forensic science tells me you don't really understand the inherent postives nor the negatives associated with either.


98 posted on 06/25/2004 9:40:29 AM PDT by Badeye ("The day you stop learning, is the day you begin dying")
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To: Michael.SF.
In some ways Custer has gotten a worse rap then he deserves regarding this battle. Some comments:

Indeed he did have some luck in previous engagements. However he failed miserably because he was under orders NOT to conduct such an attack, only maintain contact with the Indians so that the main US forces could close in for the fight. Secondly, he divided his forces in a manner he shouldn't have. Finally, he was arrogant towards the resolve and abilities of the Indians. This would/did plague the Army for years as they continually under estimated their abilities as fighters and tacticians.

99 posted on 06/25/2004 9:40:41 AM PDT by Godzilla (Friends don't let friends vote democrat....................)
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To: BookmanTheJanitor

LOL...you got that right. BTW, she just walked by and say you stink (smile). Check your mail.


100 posted on 06/25/2004 9:40:48 AM PDT by Troublemaker
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