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Yeah, why bother? Living in a straw house never hurt anybody.
1 posted on 06/23/2004 6:23:18 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback
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2 posted on 06/23/2004 6:24:01 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Pre-empt the third murder attempt: Pray for Terri Schindler-Schiavo!)
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This could explain some of the homo-loving we've seen on our Michigan board.


3 posted on 06/23/2004 6:26:56 AM PDT by ClintonBeGone (Take the first step in the war on terror - defeat John Kerry)
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I think a growing number of Christians have reached the point where we don't recognize anything the state has to say about marriage in the first place -- one way or another.

I said a while back that the ultimate demise of marriage from a legal perspective will not be brought about by same-sex unions; it will happen when normal, decent people tell the state to "f#%& off" and refuse to obtain any legal recognition for their marriages.

A Roman Catholic does not get a state certificate when he is Baptized, does not get a state certificate when he receives Holy Communion for the first time, and doesn't get a state certificate on his Confirmation day. By that logic, he sure as hell doesn't need a state certificate to validate his marriage vows.

4 posted on 06/23/2004 6:31:45 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium . . . sed ego sum homo indomitus")
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This issue has the potential to redefine and, ultimately, to destroy the institution of marriage in this country

Putting government in charge of marriage continues to pay dividends. As with most things government controlled, this destruction has been predictable.

5 posted on 06/23/2004 6:32:56 AM PDT by laotzu
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"But what about Christians? What’s our excuse for staying silent?"

We stay silent because we see these people as beyond redemption anyway. We're not supposed to behave that way but there comes a time when Christians simply have to face reality.

6 posted on 06/23/2004 6:33:12 AM PDT by davisfh
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This issue has the potential to [...] destroy the institution of marriage in this country

Much as I'm opposed to gay "marriage," I've never seen this claim adequately defended (and it's usually not defended at all, but simply asserted).

7 posted on 06/23/2004 6:33:23 AM PDT by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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I think the difficulty in fighting this is like fighting 'green snow'.
IOW, same-sex marriage isn't really marriage, just like green snow isn't snow.
How do you fight something that doesn't really exist?


8 posted on 06/23/2004 6:34:01 AM PDT by dyed_in_the_wool (Why do Al Qaeda and DNC press releases always sound the same?)
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He missed the third possibility, that marriage is an institution that was co-opted by the state as a form of taxation in about 1500 in England. It then lost it’s meaning between God and Man. Today marriage in some states like Florida is treated as one of the most voidable contracts there is. No business man in Florida would sign a contract with as little enforceability as the current Marriage contract.


10 posted on 06/23/2004 6:36:23 AM PDT by citadel84 (Reformed Engineer)
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It's simple. Get the state out of the marriage business, and problem solved.


11 posted on 06/23/2004 6:38:02 AM PDT by horatio
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talking out against gay marriages automatically makes someone a homophobe which makes them worse than hitler. this is what the Gaystapo wants normal citizens to believe anyway.


12 posted on 06/23/2004 6:38:13 AM PDT by kingofrock
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Christians are less than passionate about this issue because the State as caretaker of marriage and family is just not a New Testament point of view.

Gay marriage is a perversion of God's law. It creates nothing and destroys nothing.

Calling a donkey a horse doesn't hurt the horses. It just hurts those too stupid to see the difference.

14 posted on 06/23/2004 6:39:15 AM PDT by Taliesan (fiction police)
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Why bother? Only about 1% of the population is homosexual, less than 10% will get married. Very few homosexual marriages will stay together. So it is likely we will never see a homosexual married couple, except on TV.


15 posted on 06/23/2004 6:39:33 AM PDT by ItsTheMediaStupid
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I believe that Satan has lulled the church to sleep. We are very confortable in the knowledge of our salvation and feel no responsibility whatsoever do act on our faith.

Please see www.preparetoleave.com and click on Pearls. Because of His excruciating death for us, the fact that our salvation was bought at an extremely high price, should send us trembling. Our lack of action is SIN.

We must defend His honor. We must stand for Him. It is His heart that we must be concerned with. Pray to feel His burdens and then go forth fearlessly in His name and take the land back! Remember, the population of gays are also lulled into deception. Let them be drawn to Christ by our love.

We must work now while we can.


16 posted on 06/23/2004 6:45:31 AM PDT by PrepareToLeave
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To: Mr. Silverback; ClintonBeGone; Alberta's Child; davisfh; Know your rights; All
See this article I just posted (Austin church breaks with denomination)
17 posted on 06/23/2004 6:52:56 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (It is not Bush's fault... it is the media's fault!)
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Let's not give up the fight is what he is saying and wants more fighting to go on. That not enough Christians have called their Congressman/woman with their thoughts.
What is not said and the way I think is that before anything else should happen is that the law breakers that are marring gays should be dealt with forthwith. These attorneys, mayors, judges and legislators who are breaking the law as it stands now not only with the marriage conflict but with other things as well, such as abortion, letting criminals go free and helping criminals escape the law and nothing is done to them is the biggest problem that the U.S. citizens have at the present time. It is right up there with terrorism. Not until the U.S. can bring down these ABOVE the law people will the U.S. be peaceful again. I have seen in the news and elsewhere if it is to be believed where legislators this year alone were in the news with criminal behavior more than all the years of my life put together. It has always been said that a house divided against itself can not stand and it is said as a country as well.
If the U.S. lets itself say that we are a country of laws then something has to be done with the ABOVE the law criminals. If these attorneys, mayors, judges and legislators are not prosecuted, it will only get worst and the U.S. as a free and just country will be nothing but a lie.


24 posted on 06/23/2004 7:07:12 AM PDT by AIC
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My position is against homosexuality, no qualifiers.

The USSC ruling against the legality of Texas' anti-sodomy law was an abomination, morally and legally. I think the state(s) ought to be seeking solutions to nullify that filthy reprobate ruling, and the US Congress should be working to curb the courts, and cement the Constitution as the law once written, and amended (and penumbred) with great trepidation and sobriety.

A federal marriage amendment will ultimately be another tool, or should I say weapon, in the godgov arsenal for REGULATING powers and rights that belong to the PEOPLE. For freedom-loving conservatives it should be obvious: that this DOES NOT belong on the federal ballpark, but at home in the states. It would be just one more stupid law...

The decision overturning the state of Texas' law against sodomy is the only reasonable solution. I don't understand why there's no discussion along that line. Our problem really isn't even homosexual activists, really: IT'S THE TYRANNY OF THE COURTS AND LAWYERS.

Also, all the descriptions and drafts I've seen, reveal a paper tiger anyway. They can't have marriage, but they can have "civil unions" that give them all the priveleges and properties that marriage conveys. NO should mean NO, or don't waste my time, Mr. Congressperson.

Therefore, this Baptist is against the federal semantic amendment.

29 posted on 06/23/2004 7:20:05 AM PDT by Churchjack
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I figure it this way, if gays want to experience the joy and wonder of divorce, marriage tax, etc etc etc....let em have it.

Just call it "civil union" not "marriage" and I don't care one way or the other.


34 posted on 06/23/2004 7:26:49 AM PDT by Badeye ("The day you stop learning, is the day you begin dying")
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Theoretically, your estate could be dissipated among people who have no blood relation to you whatsoever within 2 generations if gay marriages are upheld.

And I believe this is a large, but unspoken motivation among the gay activists. It's just covert destruction.

37 posted on 06/23/2004 7:30:05 AM PDT by GVnana
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Same-sex 'marriage', like feminism, are two prongs of the long-range plan to destroy the nuclear family, decrease population, stunt human development and destabilize society. This is all about making it easier for the totalitarians to control us in the future. Just recently I learned of Gloria Steinem's roots as a CIA operative. The fact she was in the employ of a U.S. government agency says it all about the supposedly free society we live in.
45 posted on 06/23/2004 7:45:57 AM PDT by Middle Man (No matter who you vote for, the government always gets in.~Neil Innes)
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BTW Oreily had some nutcase PHD and she basically said opposition to homosexual marriage is merely religious. That is a homo-talking point. Opposition is NOT merely religious. OReily is a homoenabler because of he soft stand on homosexual pandering.

Beware of being "labeled" as opposing on religious grounds. It is not just religion, there are ethical AND moral reasons ouside of religion.


55 posted on 06/23/2004 8:06:15 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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