[Mr. Silverback]

Yeah, why bother? Living in a straw house never hurt anybody.

[hosepipe]

Marriage was invented for one thing spiritually, "the government" glommed onto it for another, kids sadly, need legal recourse to their parents. Both reasons still exist, and will exist.

Gays getting government support may not be right but its not wrong either. This is a non issue. Christian marriage is sanctioned by God for his reasons, other marriages are sanctioned by the government for that reason. Wheres the problem ?.. Christian marriage requires NO government action or certification at all to be legitimate, government sactioned marriage does. Both certifications are needed by 'christians", only one certification is needed by others.

A marriage can be blessed by both authority's or only one of them and still be legitimate. The term "marriage" needs definition I think or at least re-definition. There are lots of "gods" and lots of governments. And by the way some "churchs" are merely clubs anyway and not churchs at all. And some governments are merely criminal scams providing a "mafia like, protection racket" like socialism.. no rights, only government granted privledges, which are not rights. Some say money is the root all evil and once money issues are involved in marraige what has GOD to do with "the marriage", anyway ?..

[steve-b]

We need a great national debate so we can make our case.

We need a great national debate about important issues, such as getting my taxes down to some level within reason.

[Jack Black]

Eventually we all get tired. Yes, the price of liberty is eternal vigilance. However the flavor of freedom is soured when every minute of every day is taken up with fighting back the leftists. And lets face it we are fighting by their rules (weird quasi-legal mumbo jumbo) on their field (courts packed with generations of liberal judges). A reasonable person might ask: what is more likely to strengthen families, for me to try, probably vainly, to get some set of liberal judges to overturn the current set who say that sodomy is the same as marraige or for me to take my kids camping and shooting this weekend? Or to spend the time helping my company turn the corner. Or a near infinite amount of other things. So, like many others I've made that choice.

Every so often I get a twinge of regret, but honestly I think I've made a pretty good decision.

Personally I'm looking forward to the 2004 elections, and beyond. Perhaps then we can begin to fix the courts. As things stand today it's a waste to spend too much time on them. Recalls are good. The one here in Oregon failed to oust the evil supervisors who approved gay marraige. There is not a consensus against this in Portland, in fact it it probably approved by a majority.

[Old Professer]

It is more like the difference between a new puppy owner and an experienced dog owner; in the beginning one is overwrought at the mess the cute, little thing makes and is always cleaning up behind it, after the dog fully moves in and devises schemes to hide as much as he can one begins to overlook the dog hair, the occasional accident indoors and accepts the mutt as a responsibility more than a novelty.

As the now-grown sly interloper understands this new relationship he works his way closer to your plate, your bed and turns eventually into a rolling-roadblock to where he is constantly underfoot, a general nuisance and impervious to such simple commands as MOVE, that you simply give up and outlive him, swearing never again to go through this.

[Ciexyz]

The media promotion of gay marriage is relentless, it's everywhere, even in supposedly-conservative weeklies like US News and World Report. Confronted with this reality, the Christian majority caves in.

[Destro]

The institution of hetero marriage is sadly already dead in America -

[little jeremiah]

Homosexual Agenda Ping - Don't have time to read this one right now, but need to perform my duty and pingify you all!

Let me *and* Scripter know if anyone wants on/off this pinglist.

[RobRoy]

>>I worked in the U.S. Senate between 1956 and 1960. We fought hard for civil rights bills—against entrenched segregation.<<

Wonder if he had a day job while he did his "fighting." Wonder if the federal bureaucracy was as inpenetrable as it is today.

[k2blader]

Some "Christians" even think abortion is okay.

[MEGoody]

"The general public often shies away from controversial social issues"

It seems so many have put being 'PC' at the top of their list of characteristics they wish to embody. They are absolutely devastated if someone calls them 'homophobic' or 'closed minded' or "bigoted". Nevermind that they aren't actually any of those things - they just don't want someone to call them that.

Well, I don't care who calls me what. I've contacted my Senators and House Rep multiple times already, and I plan to continue to do so. Lets get this constitutional amendment through.

[BureaucratusMaximus]

Not to be defeatist...but, too little too late.

This "Christian" nation has already accepted birth control as mainstream (including most Christians) which, IMHO was the first step in disrespecting God's miracle of life. (i.e. no matter how you try to spin it...birth control is playing God) Next came abortion, the acceptance of homosexuality, now its gay "marriages". Next up is the acceptance of pedophilia, pedophiliac marriages, polygamy, and beastiality.