Posted on 06/21/2004 4:51:14 PM PDT by Nachum
Edited on 07/12/2004 4:16:44 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
San Francisco, CA, Jun. 21 (UPI) -- A plan is being considered that allow non-citizens, including illegal immigrants, to vote in San Francisco school board elections.
The San Jose Mercury News said Monday the proposed November ballot measure was aimed at getting more parents involved in their children's education by waiving California's requirement that voters be U.S. citizens.
(Excerpt) Read more at washtimes.com ...
"Actually, it makes a lot of sense to let the illegals vote.........if you are a democrat running for office."
Or Vicente Fox. Or any of the other fine world leaders who would send us new voters.
This rationale is bizarre but I hear it often from the left. Glad pcx99 isn't on my team.
I can't help but wonder if a conservative perspective might be persuaded if pcx99 spent some time in California, especially San Francisco.
Just remember we're a nation of imigrants, if you wanna get prissy over who owns this land, I believe the owner is Geronimo and Crazy Horse and the other native americans.
You may dislike the Mexicans but the irish and the germans and the italians and the cubans and the chineese waves were all met with the same disdain and the US survived and flourished despite the same gloom and doom. We'll survive this too and all the stronger and better for it.
G'nite
Now that is the best example of why these people should never be allowed to vote. They voted and for that buffoon.
They have NO fair share. They are HERE unfairly. Period.
That's an enforcement problem
That is an outright LIE. The government chooses not to enforce, not because it can't.
And what about the ones here legaly, in all this imigrant bashing nobody bothers with that pesky little question.
No one has to ask that question because they came here legally. Doh
Proof please. Links and all that rot.
I say the same to you. You have no proof. I have the law. It is patently illegal and unfair for these people to be here. Period. A nation cannot survive with an unmanaged border. We are the only nation in the world that permits this type of abuse of its sovereignty. It must stop now. Today. They have no rights. They do not belong. They have to come in the right way or not at all. Period.
and you wouldn't enjoy the full protection offered by all those fine imigrants in the US armed forces,
Go ahead, that's right. Think up all the little non-sensical reasons you can to allow millions upon millions of illegals into our country. -Money, the army, taxes, blah blah blah. It doesn't wash. People like you are as much the problem as the illegals.
I agree, vote for more border patrol agents and INS agents and when the economy starts to collapse vote to allow more in.
Our economy should never be dependent on the traffic of illegal aliens. We have every right to have legal immigration to let in workers. There is no right to have illegal immigration. Ever.
No but it does say "Do unto others as you would have done unto you"
Not in my Bible. In my Bible it says, "What is hateful to you, don't do to others". That is the actually quote. It means: don't break our nations laws, don't have anchor babies and rip off our welfare system, don't show up at our emergency rooms when you or your family get sick and you are here illegally, don't crowd our highways, drive illegally, demand your language everywhere, bilingual signs and education.
you really should take a read sometime.
I read mine everyday. How often do you read yours?
"And while they are in the process of becomming citizens or are in this country legally they should have every right to ensure they have a voice in their children's education and if they do not have this they should be rebated the taxes they pay."
Why bother becoming a citizen then? We're about the only country in the world that has birth-right citizenship. Their kids are most likely anchor babies, and the parents won't even need citizenship, since all it is is an expense with no additional benefit.
Obviously, the "S.F. solution" is to abolish citizenship. Henceforth, we're all just residents.
(If you want to receive a nice autoreply from S.F. Mayor Gavin Newsom - who hasn't yet made up his mind on this issue, so please keep it polite - here's his email: gavin.newsom@sfgov.org )
Austin, TX will just have to do (Where where most Californians migrated when they decided to take over Texas). Texas by the way doesn't seem to have the same problem with their Mexican neighbors as Californians do despite having more of a hispanic population (legal and illegal).
I think this is probably because California keeps electing liberal government after liberal government taxing like there's no tomorrow and offering pie in the sky services that strain the system so everyone's left worrying about their share.
Who knows. Anyway this is one more post than I'd intended to make. DEfinately g'nite now :)
The well worn liberal sign off. Shades of Peter Jennings.
Good night sweet prince.
Careful now don't wanna prove what all those liberals say about conservatives right.
Yeah, careful everybody. The liberal interloper is kindly trying to trick Conservatives into censoring themselves, their own point of view.
Tax-paying citizens support school boards, and should be the only voice in elections.
Excuse me...but are you CRAZY? My school board taxes are $2,000 a year. I sure as hell don't want some illegal non-citizen voting to keep my school taxes high--by voting to support those candidates that promise to redistribute the weath (ie, spend like there's no limits).
What profile? You've got nothing on your personal page.
I'm more on the conservitive team, more consistantly, than most people ever.
Forget it, pallie. You've been busted.
Geronimo and Crazy Horse and the other native americans can tell you what happens to a people who doesn't control their borders and how immigration doesn't always work out so well --- when the numbers become massive and there is no evidence of assimilation but of takeover. The Indians lost their lands because they didn't control who was coming in. Immigration or Invasion?
Real conservatives dont give a %^&&
In light of a moderate statement like this: "They have reason to become citizens or leave", real conservatives dont go around admonishing their fellow conservatives: "Careful now don't wanna prove what all those liberals say about conservatives right."
BTW Texas has a very different history with regard to it's historical relationship to Spanish controlled southern North America, the country of Mexico and Hispanics in general. In the past 450 years the government of Spain played only a limited role in California, the government of Mexico had formal control of only a tiny part of California for 11 years and Hispanics never historically exceeded 15% of California's population at any time before WWII. As an example the Catholic Church had far more influence in California than did Spain in the 350 years of Spanish settlement in the new world.
Gee why don't you call me a niger too. Since you're the second person to play liberal politics and slander instead of argue, I'll make a few links to my past posts. Call me a liberal again if you want but you'll only prove yourself even more of a fool than just one who doesn't know how to view his opponents prior posts.
You're not going to win this argument by painting me a liberal just because YOU don't agree with me and neither is anyone else. Stop acting like liberals and GROW UP.
They'll say that no matter what we do. Are you going to surrender or show a spine point out that it's the liberals who are the racists? The Democrats are the Slavery Party and always have been.
But there's no need to feed them.
The only way not to feed their vitriol is to surrender your rights to the government.
Problem with that is we're not every country in the world the is the US, the pinacle of freedom -- that to which others aspire and dream.
Then they have reason to join us.
Since they are not rebated the taxes they pay they should have their voice.
Nope. That's a benefit that comes with rights and responsibilities of citizenship.
You are (taking their rights).
They don't have a right to vote in our elections so nobody is taking one away. They agreed to those terms when they came here. You want to give them additional rights that dilute the rights of citizenship. It is thus you who are proposing to take rights.
Translation: illegal voters help pass bond initiatives that they don't have to pay for.
My, my. The repeated use of personal pronouns in an ad hominem attack.
A sure sign of a liberal or a Republican loyalists.
Democrats have no problem with either felons or dead people exercising their franchise.
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