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Amnesia - New York Times 1998: Bin Laden and Iraq Made a Deal; 2004: No Al Qaeda Iraq Connection
New York Times | November 5, 1998 | BENJAMIN WEISE

Posted on 06/18/2004 9:32:25 AM PDT by tallhappy

Yesterday the NY Slimes blared the headline: Panel Finds No Qaeda-Iraq Tie.

Yet in 1998 the New York Slimes was reporting a different finding. The Clinton administration had just indcted bin laden and as part of the inditment's background had referenced bin Laden and al Qaeda's relationship and agreement to work together on weapon's development. The indictment was from the Clinton Justice department, under Janet Reno's authority and also State Department officials took part in the news conference announcing the indictment.

Here is the Slimes article, Novemeber 8. 1998.


The New York Times

November 5, 1998, Thursday, Late Edition - Final

SECTION: Section A; Page 1; Column 2; Foreign Desk

LENGTH: 1093 words

HEADLINE: SAUDI IS INDICTED IN BOMB ATTACKS ON U.S. EMBASSIES

BYLINE: By BENJAMIN WEISER

BODY: A Federal grand jury in Manhattan returned a 238-count indictment yesterday charging the Saudi exile Osama bin Laden in the bombings of two United States Embassies in Africa in August and with conspiring to commit other acts of terrorism against Americans abroad.

Government officials immediately announced that they were offering two rewards of $5 million each for information leading to the arrest or conviction of Mr. bin Laden and another man charged yesterday, Muhammad Atef, who was described as Mr. bin Laden's chief military commander.

Mr. bin Laden is believed to be living in Afghanistan under the protection of the Taliban, the Islamic fundamentalist movement that rules that country.

Mr. Atef's whereabouts are unknown.

It is uncertain whether Mr. bin Laden will ever stand trial in the United States. But if he does, prosecutors said, he could face life in prison or the death penalty if he is convicted. Prosecutors also unsealed an earlier indictment, issued in June, that included similar but less detailed charges against Mr. bin Laden.

That indictment was returned before the embassy bombings and resulted from a two-year grand jury investigation of his activities in Somalia and Saudi Arabia, as well as reports that he had connections to a circle of Islamic militants in Brooklyn.

The new indictment, which supersedes the June action, accuses Mr. bin Laden of leading a vast terrorist conspiracy from 1989 to the present, in which he is said to have been working in concert with governments, including those of Sudan, Iraq and Iran, and terrorist groups to build weapons and attack American military installations. Excerpts, page A8.

But the indictment gives few details of Mr. bin Laden's alleged involvement in the embassy attacks. The indictment does not, for example, specify whether prosecutors have evidence that Mr. bin Laden gave direct orders to those who carried out the attacks.

Nothing in the document indicates why the original indictment was kept secret for months. But the secret charges were returned about the time that American officials were plotting a possible military attack into Afghanistan to arrest Mr. bin Laden.

Mary Jo White, the United States Attorney in Manhattan, said, "It's very common to have sealed indictments when you're trying to apprehend those who are indicted."

Both indictments offer new information about Mr. bin Laden's operations, including one deal he is said to have struck with Iraq to cooperate in the development of weapons in return for Mr. bin Laden's agreeing not to work against that country.

No details were given about whether the alleged deal with Iraq led to the development of actual weapons for Mr. bin Laden's group, which is called Al Qaeda.

The Government said yesterday that Mr. bin Laden's group had made use of private relief groups "as conduits for transmitting funds" for Al Qaeda.

The groups were not identified.

Prosecutors also said Mr. bin Laden's group had conducted internal investigations of its members and their associates, trying to detect who might be acting as informants, and had killed those who had been suspected of collaborating with enemies of the organization.

The Government indicated earlier that its knowledge of Mr. bin Laden's activities stemmed in part from the cooperation of one such informant, who it said yesterday had worked for Mr. bin Laden, transporting weapons to terrorists, helping to buy land for his training camps and assisting in running his finances.

The June indictment against Mr. bin Laden suggested that the Government had a considerable amount of knowledge of his dealings in the months before the attacks on the embassies, one in Tanzania and one in Kenya.

But the new charges are an indication of how quickly the Government has worked to solve the embassy attacks, which occurred just three months ago.

Ms. White said that Mr. bin Laden was charged with "plotting and carrying out the most heinous acts of international terrorism and murder."

Citing the more than 250 people killed in the embassy attacks and the more than 1,000 wounded, she added, "In a greater sense, all of the citizens of the world are also victims whenever and wherever the cruel and cowardly acts of international terrorism strike."

The investigation of Mr. bin Laden is continuing, said Ms. White and Lewis D. Schiliro, assistant director of the F.B.I. in New York, whose agents have fanned out around the world to investigate the embassy attacks.

"Our investigative strategy is clear," Mr. Schiliro said.

"We will identify, locate and prosecute all those responsible, right up the line, from those who constructed and delivered the bombs to those who paid for them and ordered it done."

In charging Mr. Atef, the Government reported new details about what it called his role as Mr. bin Laden's military commander, referring to his "principal responsibility for the training of Al Qaeda members."

Mr. Atef was a member of a committee under Mr. bin Laden that approved all terrorist actions by Al Qaeda, the indictment said, and he also played a major role in coordinating attacks on United States and United Nations troops in Somalia in October 1993.

In those attacks, 18 American soldiers and hundreds of Somalis were killed. Americans were shocked by the images of the body of one of the Americans being dragged through the streets, and the violence provoked a furor over the United States role in Somalia as part of the United Nations effort to pacify the country and supply food and medicine to the Somalis.

At the time, the battle was seen as one with Somali warlords. But yesterday's charges made clear that the Government now contends that Mr. bin Laden had a critical role in instigating the fighting.

In late 1992 and 1993, when Mr. bin Laden's group was based in Sudan, Mr. Atef went to Somalia to determine "how best to cause violence to the United States and United Nations military forces stationed there," and reported back to Mr. bin Laden at his headquarters in Khartoum, Sudan's capital, the indictment said.

Prosecutors said that in the spring of 1993, Mr. Atef and other members of Al Qaeda, including Haroun Fazil and Mohammed Saddiq Odeh, both of whom have been charged in the embassy attacks, traveled to Somalia and trained Somalis opposed to the United Nation's intervention. On Oct. 3 and 4, 1993, in Mogadishu, Somalia's capital, Somali soldiers trained by Al Qaeda took part in the attacks on the soldiers, according to the June 10 indictment that was unsealed yesterday.

GRAPHIC: Photos: Mary Jo White, a United States Attorney, at a news conference yesterday with a portrait of Osama bin Laden, a Saudi exile indicted on charges of conspiracy in the bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. (Ruby Washington/The New York Times); Prosecutors say this photo shows Osama bin Laden, left, and Muhammad Atef, who were indicted yesterday on terrorism charges. (United States Attorney's Office)(pg. A8)


TOPICS: Breaking News; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 1998; alqaeda; alqaedaandiraq; amnesia; binladen; binladeniraq; ignorantmedia; incompetence; iraq; mediabias; medialies; newyorktimes; nyt
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To: tallhappy
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CHENEY: CLEAR LINKS BETWEEN SADDAM, AL-QAEDA; CALLS NY TIMES ARTICLE 'OUTRAGEOUS'


Well, one Richard Clarke seemed to have thought that there was a connection between Saddam and the terrorists...when he worked for Bubba.
Iraq conspired with Bin Laden to produce WMDs...according to Richard Clarke

...and lets not forget that he was paying off suicide bombers' families to send their kids to blow themselves up for Allah
Salaries For Suicide Bombers

NYT=Pravda.....

Since the early '30s...
Before Jayson Blair: AIM and The New York Times

61 posted on 06/18/2004 2:18:43 PM PDT by walford (http://utopia-unmasked.us)
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To: walford; tallhappy

From CBS' John Roberts on the 9/11 Commission:

"...It is one of President Bush's last surviving justifications for war in Iraq, and today, it took a devastating hit when the 9-11 Commission declared there was no collaborative relationship between Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden. ... Those repeated associations left the majority of Americans believing Saddam was involved in 9/11, but the commission today put the nail in that connection, or for that matter, any other al-Qaida acts of terror against America, declaring, 'There is no credible evidence that Iraq and al-Qaida cooperated on attacks against the United States.' The report is yet another blow to the president's credibility as he struggles to find the exit door in Iraq and opens him up to new criticism on the wisdom of taking on Saddam with al-Qaida's leadership still at large...."

..from A. Sullivan's Blog


62 posted on 06/18/2004 2:21:03 PM PDT by The Raven (<<----Click Screen name to see why I vote the way I do.)
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To: torchthemummy

"...if every Freeper would do two hours of research a week browsing through that vast land of Liberal-Media-Past, we would have tons of ammunition..."

see bottom of post #61


63 posted on 06/18/2004 2:23:13 PM PDT by walford (http://utopia-unmasked.us)
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To: doug from upland; Mia T; ALOHA RONNIE

ping


64 posted on 06/18/2004 4:11:33 PM PDT by nutmeg (God bless President Ronald Reagan)
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To: StarFan; Dutchy; alisasny; BobFromNJ; BUNNY2003; Cacique; Clemenza; Coleus; cyborg; DKNY; ...
ping!

Please FReepmail me if you want on or off my infrequent ‘miscellaneous’ ping list.

65 posted on 06/18/2004 4:12:43 PM PDT by nutmeg (God bless President Ronald Reagan)
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To: tallhappy

66 posted on 06/18/2004 4:16:16 PM PDT by gitmo (Thanks, Mel. I needed that.)
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To: tallhappy

WOW! Have you forwarded to Rush and Drudge????


67 posted on 06/18/2004 6:25:02 PM PDT by CharlotteVRWC
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Thanks for the PING, info and link, Ernest!!!!:-)


68 posted on 06/18/2004 8:14:48 PM PDT by Defender2 (Defending Our Bill of Rights, Our Constitution, Our Country and Our Freedom!!!!)
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To: tallhappy

Good work!


69 posted on 06/18/2004 8:35:36 PM PDT by Tennessean4Bush (An optimist believes we live in the best of all possible worlds, a pessimist fears this is true.)
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To: tallhappy

bump


70 posted on 06/18/2004 11:18:18 PM PDT by tophat9000
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To: tallhappy

Ping - this I have to read with care!


71 posted on 06/19/2004 1:35:03 AM PDT by AnimalLover
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To: nutmeg

bttt


72 posted on 06/19/2004 2:14:45 AM PDT by lainde (Heads up...We're coming and we've got tongue blades!!)
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To: tallhappy

Any links?


73 posted on 06/19/2004 4:12:13 AM PDT by samtheman (www.georgewbush.com)
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To: tallhappy
When will people stop buying this socialist propoganda rag? When will advertisers realize they are only feeding a RAT?


74 posted on 06/19/2004 6:57:48 AM PDT by unixfox (Close the borders, problems solved!)
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To: Mrs Zip; BOBWADE

ping


75 posted on 06/20/2004 5:54:40 AM PDT by zip (Remember: DimocRat lies told often enough became truth to 42% of americans)
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To: tallhappy; All
Okay .. here goes .. I'm posting my first picture. If it doesn't work .. well .. back to the drawingboard. Question: Why would Saddam have a painting made showing his pleasure at 9/11 .. IF he was not a participant in it ..?? Maybe Saddam didn't plan it, organize it, or train the terrorists .. but he could easily have funded it, and provided the place for training as evidenced by the airline shell at Salmon Pak.
76 posted on 06/21/2004 12:00:07 AM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: a core set of principles from which he will not deviate)
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To: CyberAnt; backhoe

Check out #76 - I did it - it worked perfect.


77 posted on 06/21/2004 12:13:34 AM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: a core set of principles from which he will not deviate)
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To: tallhappy

bump


78 posted on 06/22/2004 6:08:58 PM PDT by VOA
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To: ImaTexan

ping


79 posted on 06/22/2004 8:22:29 PM PDT by bjcintennessee (Don't Sweat the Small Stuff)
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To: tallhappy; All
Woohoo! Great find!

ALL: In case anyone you know who is 'skeptical' about the Bush Admin approach to WOT, or if anyone tries to tell you the Clinton Admin was equally as tough, here is the difference in a nutshell, straight from their mouth:

Clinton Admin approach: "We will identify, locate and prosecute all those responsible, right up the line, from those who constructed and delivered the bombs to those who paid for them and ordered it done."

Bush Admin approach: "We will identify, locate and KILL all those responsible, right up the line, from those who constructed and delivered the bombs to those who paid for them and ordered it done."

Add one more thing for GWB..."until the job is done"

80 posted on 06/22/2004 8:40:51 PM PDT by NewLand (Ronald Reagan defeated The Left...His Way!)
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