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STOP Michael Moore and his Fahrenheit 9/11
Move America Forward - Newsmax ^ | 06/11/2004 | Move America Forward

Posted on 06/11/2004 12:31:44 PM PDT by Impeach98

The national organization, Move America Forward, is asking Americans who are offended by Michael Moore's "Bash America" movie to voice their opinions to movie industry executives.

We've compiled a list of email addresses and other contact information for the leading movie industry chains - as well for those theaters who have already announced their intention to show "Fahrenheit 9/11."

Please Note - We note Mr. Moore's constitutional right to free speech. What we also acknowledge that Mr. Moore and his backers seem uncomfortable with is that the millions of Americans who are offended by his lies, his attacks on our troops and our president have the right to speak up and say what we think about his "documentary" to the people who will profit from showing it.

Please read more about our efforts - this is the link - http://www.moveamericaforward.org/newsmax/


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: fahrenheit911; michael; michaelmoore; moore
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To: Quick1
Me, I'll refrain from judging the movie until I've seen it myself.

That works fine when it comes to television shows, because television ratings are not precise; they are more like a scientific poll. The money producers get for TV shows is upfront, and your viewership, regardless of whether you like it or you don't, is not counted if you are not a "Nielsen family."

On the other hand, when it comes to motion pictures shown in a theater, the only way you can "judge" it is after you have already put your hard-earned dollars in the coffers of the filmmakers, and if you are indeed offended by the product, guess what? You're not getting that money back. It's theirs now. Your adverse judgment doesn't mean jack squat to them, because you've already paid them to give your opinion.

For example: I am not going to see the new movie Saved!, the satire that supposedly is "sweetly subversive" in targeting Christian youth. The filmmaker, a former parochial school student, goes to great pains to insist the movie doesn't "bash" Christians, but from everything I have seen and read of the movie, I believe it presents a caricatured subculture of comically stupid anti-Semitic gay-hating judgmental "Christians" (the 'bad' ones) and contrasts them with sweet, cool, Christians who are accepting of Jews (as if that was unusual), teen pregnancy and homosexuality. (the 'good' ones).

Now, I can only guess at what the movie looks like as a whole, but the critics and the filmmakers (including R.E.M's Michael Stipe, who co-wrote "Losing My Religion") all say, "See it, and judge for yourself," fully knowing that if I do see it, and verify my suspicions, I will have had to have paid them to do it, thus coaxing money out of me that they wouldn't have gotten if I had just trusted my instincts and ignored the movie.

Sorry, I am not going to be suckered into that.

61 posted on 06/11/2004 2:18:52 PM PDT by L.N. Smithee (Just because I don't think like you doesn't mean I don't think for myself)
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To: Impeach98

.."stop"ped

Stopped implies banning or not showing it.

What do you mean by STOPPED.

Intimidating movie chains not to show it.

I think you're on the wrong track. What's next, petitioning BlockBuster not to carry it.

If your campaign is successful, so will Moore.

Let people see it and judge for themselves.


62 posted on 06/11/2004 2:20:31 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: Impeach98
Who said ban? I don't have the power to ban anything and no one at Move America Forward does. No one's banning anything.

This thread should be a pretty good indicator that the presumption when someone reads "Take action against the release of...Fahrenheit 9/11" is that you want the movie banned. Your methods are betrayed by your misleading headline.

63 posted on 06/11/2004 2:24:30 PM PDT by L.N. Smithee (Just because I don't think like you doesn't mean I don't think for myself)
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To: L.N. Smithee

I'd rather retain my ability to think for myself, instead of only knowing people tell me about it. Moore can have my $5.

I think of it as creating jobs. :)


64 posted on 06/11/2004 2:25:53 PM PDT by Quick1
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To: swarthyguy
Not at all. I think you are wrong to equate the word "ban" which means prohibit someone from doing something with what Move America Forward is doing - asking people to counter Moore's voice.

If you can't see that distinction from how I wrote it above, then we are going to have to agree to disagree because I think it's pretty clear from where I stand.

65 posted on 06/11/2004 2:27:39 PM PDT by Impeach98
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To: Impeach98
"Please join us in telling the movie theater companies below your opinion as it relates to their attempt to profit from the showing of “Fahrenheit 9/11.”" And yet the banner says to take action against the release of his movie, which implies that this group wants it banned.
66 posted on 06/11/2004 2:28:14 PM PDT by Quick1
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To: L.N. Smithee
Nah, but what it does show me is that we humans speak before we read often. I noticed one post someone responded to an "online poll" reference and indicated that they weren't scientific. The person didn't click the link because the story wasn't an online poll but a newspaper poll of 1,000+ Americans. Don't get me wrong, I think you can almost equate the accuracy of those two polling methods LOL!

I just responded above about why your insistence that this "bans" a movie is way off base.

The reaction we've gotten in our email account is 180 degrees different from Free Republic - that's why nobody here believed me when I told them what FReepers were saying.

I don't know why that is. There is obviously something visceral for at least some FReepers about the word "STOP" that gets them down the line of thinking that you've discussed with me.

67 posted on 06/11/2004 2:31:31 PM PDT by Impeach98
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To: MineralMan; Impeach98

<< Best way to deal with this [Crockumentary] is simply not to go see it. Ignore it entirely. Any publicity will help Moore, not hurt him. >>

You got it.

Moore makes his millions lying to those to damned stupid to know they're being lied to and to those to damned psychopathologically-hesperophobic and/or otherwise mean-spirited, hatefilled, enraged and psychotic to care. [To fascisocialists, including "DemocRATS," that is]

Ignore the fat pig -- and afford every last one of his psychotic customers, foreign and domestic, the dignity of the consequences of his own actions.


68 posted on 06/11/2004 2:31:38 PM PDT by Brian Allen (Did you hear that my beloved FRiend died, today? -- President Ronald Wilson Reagan 1911 - 2004)
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To: Quick1
Yes, indeed - take action against the release of his movie.

Through millions of Americans voicing their opposition to the movie and Moore's attempt to profit (and those theaters that show it) from a movie that undermines the War on Terrorism.

Again, I don't have the power to suppress a movie. But Americans have the power of their voices to express themselves. If they DO then movie theaters will choose not to show it.

That's the distinction. You have to respect the right of free speech of those who disagree with Moore.

69 posted on 06/11/2004 2:33:08 PM PDT by Impeach98
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To: Impeach98
There is obviously something visceral for at least some FReepers about the word "STOP" that gets them down the line of thinking that you've discussed with me.

I would compare it to a title that read: "STOP the sale of handguns!" I would expect the same sort of reaction from freepers.
70 posted on 06/11/2004 2:34:34 PM PDT by Quick1
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To: L.N. Smithee
Now you are just being difficult :(

"Your methods are betrayed by your misleading headline."

What misleading headline? Are you just being difficult because you are sad about the death of our greatest president. I am sad too. But you aren't being intellectually fair in your argument. I've tried to be patient in explaining why the initial reaction you've jumped to is wrong.

Our effort is called "STOP Michael Moore & His Movie Fahrenheit 9/11" - that's why this FR thread is titled as such. How is that misleading?

71 posted on 06/11/2004 2:35:04 PM PDT by Impeach98
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To: Impeach98

>>asking people to counter Moore's voice.

Then say Protest the movie, hand out oposing literature, finance a movie with an opposing POV.

You're asking businesses to stop showing it. You're calling for the abrogation of that business's privilege to show what they want, and infringing upon the freedom of those who wish to see the movie.

I still don't understand the difference between Ban and Stop. The end result is the same; you want the movie pulled. If you don't, then using the word stop is misleading.

I think you're splitting hairs semantically, and that kind of tap dancing is not convincing.


72 posted on 06/11/2004 2:35:26 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: Impeach98; MineralMan

<< .... your view, "we" [Have] discussed it here at "the offices" of "Move America Forward" a number of times. >>

Are you employed by moore's publicists?

Might as well be.

Effect's the same and you might as well be paid [By moore] for what you're attempting, effectively on his behalf.


73 posted on 06/11/2004 2:35:59 PM PDT by Brian Allen (Did you hear that my beloved FRiend died, today? -- President Ronald Wilson Reagan 1911 - 2004)
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To: Quick1
The difference is that in the case you cite the government is STOPPING the sale of handguns.

What we're asking people to do is voice their opinions so that this movie is stopped because movie theater owners decide it's not good business to offend the majority of Americans.

The one (the government and guns) is indeed a "ban."

The other (Move America Forward's actions against Moore) is a campaign to get conservatives to not sit on their couch and yell at the TV screen when Moore comes on, but VOICE THEIR OPPOSITION directly to the movie industry executives that Moore, Lions Gate Films and IFC Films have been cooing and sweet talking for months.

Thanks for giving me the opportunity to explain the difference.

74 posted on 06/11/2004 2:38:19 PM PDT by Impeach98
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To: ThisLittleLightofMine
"The best way to stop Michael Moore is to not view any of his movies.

AGREED

75 posted on 06/11/2004 2:38:52 PM PDT by DeaconRed (ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN & MICHAEL MOORE---Political rhetoric masquerading as news.)
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To: Brian Allen
Nah - in fact, look at it this way.... Moore's already done his publicity. That's kind of the point. Don't believe me, look at how many people who have posted in this thread (annoyingly for me it doesn't seem most people have read the message on the STOP Michael Moore website, but I don't always do that either when commenting in a FR thread so I'm guilty).

I've actually been a member of Free Republic since the Clinton Impeachment!

76 posted on 06/11/2004 2:40:04 PM PDT by Impeach98
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To: Voter#537
"The best way to stop Michael Moore is to not view any of his movies.

AGREED

I agree with that too!

77 posted on 06/11/2004 2:40:51 PM PDT by Impeach98
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To: Brian Allen

"<< .... your view, "we" [Have] discussed it here at "the offices" of "Move America Forward" a number of times. >>
"

What you quoted was not written by me. Please look more closely at messages.


78 posted on 06/11/2004 2:41:25 PM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: All
Well, I'm going to do laundry now.

A sorrowful morning with the Reagan funeral and then reading and responding to some FReepers saying that our activities run counter to the right of free speech has me in need of a break.

To those who think we are akin to burning books - please speak your mind. I'll just be responding later.

To those who agree that sitting silent is not the best option, thank you. We've been heartened by the response (outside of Free Republic which astonishes me) thus far.

-- Joe

79 posted on 06/11/2004 2:45:52 PM PDT by Impeach98
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To: MineralMan

<< What you quoted was not written by me. Please look more closely at messages. >>

Didn't for a moment think so -- and nor did I so suggest. Because I was commenting on an exchange between you and the FReep I addressed, I included your address as a courtesy.

Although, it turns out, a wasted one.


80 posted on 06/11/2004 2:49:35 PM PDT by Brian Allen (Did you hear that my beloved FRiend died, today? -- President Ronald Wilson Reagan 1911 - 2004)
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