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Bush leads Kerry in new PD poll (Ohio: Bush 47% Kerry 41%)
Cleveland Plain Dealer ^ | 5/29/03 | Mark Naymik

Posted on 05/29/2004 4:48:59 PM PDT by Graybeard58

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To: Jorge
Huh? The economy is growing at its fastest pace in 20 years and this bozo doesn't think Bush is doing enough for the economy. More proof the Dems prey on ignorance.

No it's just proof you don't live in Ohio. The economy is in the toilet here.

21 posted on 05/29/2004 5:11:29 PM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1 (Lock-n-load!)
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To: Jorge

The few liberals where I work always scream the same thing about the economy. When I remind them that the economy is the best it's been in years it's always the same thing. Yeah, there are jobs but not good jobs. Well, get an education and get a good job. People think they are too good to do the $9 and $10 an hour jobs so they'd rather not work. The lowest paying job in our plant is approximately $16 an hour plus benefits and they still gripe even though they aren't looking for a job. There are more jobs in our town than there are people to do them but if they can't get rich they don't want to work. Liberals won't ever be happy unless everything is handed to them I guess. It's all Bushes fault. :-)


22 posted on 05/29/2004 5:14:09 PM PDT by Melinda in TN
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1
The economy is in the toilet here.

This oft-repeated gross exaggeration is really starting to get old.

In Apr 04 the national unemployment rate was 5.6%.
In Apr 04 Ohio's unemployment rate was 5.8%.

Courtesy of the BLS website. And I counted 12 states (including D.C.) that had equal or higher rates than OH.

23 posted on 05/29/2004 5:16:37 PM PDT by Coop (Freedom isn't free)
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To: GulliverSwift
I agree. Nobody, or at least nobody with half a functioning brain, is voting for Kerry. The man is arrogant and stupid, a fatal combination.
24 posted on 05/29/2004 5:16:56 PM PDT by CoolPapaBoze
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To: OpusatFR

Zog's running an interactive poll now which covers 16 battleground states. The survey includes some 10,000+ repsondents via the internet. I don't put much trust in Zog's stuff at this early stage..... jmo.


25 posted on 05/29/2004 5:18:26 PM PDT by deport (To a dog all roads lead home.......)
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To: Graybeard58
This is more like it. I told you that we Ohioans would NOT vote for "Effing" Kerry.

Now, if we can get PA back on course, and hang on to Michigan, we have the beginnings of the 330 vote landslide that I predicted!

26 posted on 05/29/2004 5:20:13 PM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news.)
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To: GulliverSwift
Good news from Ohio.

Understatement of the week. This is HUGE news!!!

I have been more than a little worried about W's chances in light of many recent polls. This one helps renew my hope.

If we hold Ohio and Florida, then everything else will fall in place and we will win. If we lose either, I don't see a victory.

27 posted on 05/29/2004 5:21:32 PM PDT by comebacknewt
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To: DrDeb

Well, Cleveland Plain Dealer is a more lib paper than the southern part; and this is a poll of REGISTERED voters, so tack up Pres. Bush by another 1-2%. Kerry is TOAST in Ohio, just as I promised. I'm still giving, and I still plan to work where I can, but Kerry will NOT win OH.


28 posted on 05/29/2004 5:22:53 PM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news.)
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To: Graybeard58
Good.

If kerry was up last week and President Bush was down that can only mean one thing, kerry was either seen, or heard this week, thereby reminding everyone what it is that we face, and what it is (everything) that he lacks.

The only way kerry wins is if things really keep going South, and in that event he's never seen or heard from, but remains an amorphous possiblity for improvement.

29 posted on 05/29/2004 5:25:06 PM PDT by AlbionGirl
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To: deport

If that is way the way he is doing his polling, he is in for a BIG SURPRISE. I just moved...and after watching my Gen X son do this, I decided to do this in my move.

I NO LONGER HAVE A HOME PHONE. Like many today, all I have is my cel phone. I will never get polled by Zog...but I sure as hell will be voting for W in Nov.


30 posted on 05/29/2004 5:25:57 PM PDT by Keith (The American Press is in violation of Article III, Section 3. Time to prosecute.)
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To: CoolPapaBoze

Kerry is stupid and arrogant. Clinton was corrupt and incompetent. Where do the Dems get these guys?


31 posted on 05/29/2004 5:28:43 PM PDT by fhayek
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To: Keith

Actually polls this far out are pretty much worthless..... a trend line can be developed if the pollster keeps the same methodology over time but they sometimes change so even trends are questionable.... Some percentage of the population is always undecided and only makes up their mind as the election nears.... Some in the last few days... These are the voters candidates are trying to win over. Who can do it most successfully will most likely be the winner...


32 posted on 05/29/2004 5:32:07 PM PDT by deport (To a dog all roads lead home.......)
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To: jwalsh07

I'm betting on Winston too, and the soccer moms will become security moms again. How soon people forget, what happened, and what is still ongoing.


33 posted on 05/29/2004 5:37:07 PM PDT by woodyinscc
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To: Coop
In Apr 04 the national unemployment rate was 5.6%. In Apr 04 Ohio's unemployment rate was 5.8%.

Look at the figures by county and you'll find out just why Bush is trailing in the NE and SE. Half of the State has higher than 7.0% unemployment. The same problems exist just across the border in Western PA. Bush should be strong in SE Ohio and Western PA; he ain't.

34 posted on 05/29/2004 5:37:38 PM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1 (Lock-n-load!)
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To: Graybeard58
Voters in Ohio's socially conservative Southwest, which includes the Republican stronghold of Cincinnati, favor Bush by the widest margin - 20 percentage points - over Kerry, 54 percent to 34 percent.

By contrast, voters in the Northeast favor Kerry the most - by 9 percentage points - at 47 percent to 38 percent. The Northeast contains the Democratic cities Cleveland and Youngstown, which have suffered more job losses than most other parts of the state.

That, in microcosm, is the problems Dems have nationally. They run strongest in areas whose economies -- and populations -- are shrinking.

On the other hand, look at the areas where economic and population growth are most explosive. Suburbs of Sunbelt cities, for example. Democrats have little hope in counties such as Cobb and Gwinnett, Georgia (Atlanta suburbs), Williamson, Tennessee (Nashville suburbs), or my own county of Union, North Carolina (Charlotte suburbs). In each case, these are the fastest growing areas of their respective states, and they vote solidly GOP at the national level and increasingly so at the local level. This does not bode well for the Democrats long-term.

35 posted on 05/29/2004 5:44:23 PM PDT by southernnorthcarolina (I've told you a billion times: stop exaggerating!)
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To: Torie
We need to try to ignore [the polls] absent really big moves, until after the conventions. Doing that at least will reduce the Rolaid consumption.

Not to mention the Bombay Sapphire consumption.

36 posted on 05/29/2004 5:47:23 PM PDT by southernnorthcarolina (I've told you a billion times: stop exaggerating!)
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1

That's a far cry from "in the toilet."


37 posted on 05/29/2004 5:50:27 PM PDT by Coop (Freedom isn't free)
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To: Graybeard58

I really have to wonder how the pollsters are interpreting W's approval numbers. I don't particularly approve of his handling of Iraq -- but that does NOT mean that I think Kerry would do better. On the contrary, if I'm dissatisfied with W it's because I think we've been way too namby-pamby!!


38 posted on 05/29/2004 5:50:34 PM PDT by alley cat
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To: southernnorthcarolina
You need to look at metro area numbers. Of course, the exurban counties are fast growing and heavily GOP. But the inner suburbs and neighborhoods trend Dem to offset it. It is simply a function of a growing metro area. Soon Hamilton County Ohio will join Franklin County Ohio in having no GOP margin left. The margin will be in the exurban counties for those metro areas. Folks moving around has no psephological significance in presidential elections, unless they move interstate. One problem with Ohio is that Metro Cincinnati is moving into Kentucky and Indiana. Good for the Indiana and the Kentucky GOP, bad for the Ohio GOP, long term. Similarly, exurban Memphis is dumping into Mississippi. Sane deal. And so it goes.
39 posted on 05/29/2004 5:53:51 PM PDT by Torie
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To: southernnorthcarolina

And Charlotte is dumping into York County. Bad for the Dems in the SC CD district, but also bad for the GOP in NC.


40 posted on 05/29/2004 5:55:16 PM PDT by Torie
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