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Moslem cleric in England says killing non-Moslems is OK
IRN NEWS ^ | 5-27-04 | John Russell

Posted on 05/29/2004 1:32:24 PM PDT by Veritas_est

Moslem cleric in England says killing non-Moslems is OK By: John Russell | Source: IRN NEWS May 27, 2004 5:29PM EST

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A leading Muslim teacher in the United Kingdom is telling his followers that the killing of non-Moslems is in accordance with Islamic teachings. Shiek Abu Hamsa of the notorious Finsbury Park Mosque in London has been videotaped telling his congregation that, “If a Kafir (that is a non-Moslem)is walking by you and you catch him he’s booty (that is a slave), you can sell him in the market. Most of them are spies. And even if they don’t do anything, if Moslems can not take them and sell them in the market, you just kill them, its OK.” Hamsa went on to say that that Americans are especially worthy of death.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: abu; booty; cleric; europeancivi1war; europeancivilwar; finsbury; hamsa; jihadineurope; kafir; killing; london; madpoet; moslem; mosque; muslims; shiek; slaves; ukmuslims
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To: Veritas_est

With all this spew from the islamic pigs who fancy themselves clerics, when does it become open season on these swine to send them to their 72 ugly virgins?


21 posted on 05/29/2004 1:51:59 PM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: nuconvert
What these radical fundamentalists /islamofascists/or terrorists are spreading is a bastardization of Islam.

Sez you. What gives you any more credibility on what is or isn't "true" Islam than Shiek Abu Hamsa?

Personally, I am done with this foolishness. It is not the job of the American people or its policy makers to become bogged down in the Battle of the Expert Witnesses over the question of what is or is not "true Islam," and whether or not Muslim Terror is one of its core principles or merely an aberration.

We can study the Koran for 10,000 hours, and still not come away with a conclusion on either side of the question that would not be challenged by credentialed Imams and Muslim scholars.

All we really need to know is that with few, if any, exceptions, Muslim nations have failed in their moral responsibility to contain and control Muslim terror, both within their own geographical confines and abroad. This failure now threatens the lives and interests of Americans on our own soil and around the world.

Whether this failure is the result of Islam's deliberate support for terrorism, or the inability of so-called "moderate" Muslims to muster the will to fight it is immaterial to me at this point.

Therefore, because we have the natural human right to defend our lives and our nation, we have the natural right to do the job of cleaning up Islam's mess in whatever manner will get the job done.

Whatever collateral damage results from our actions to defend our nation is the moral responsibility of the Muslim world for failing to do its humanitarian duty.

The only question we need to consider in making US policy is what will work on a practical level to protect our safety and security.

In my view, by exporting and failing to control Muslim terror, most Muslim nations have lost their right to national sovereignty in the same way that criminals in our own society lose their right to walk freely on our streets.

The Muslim world has had enough opportunity to clean up its own mess over the past 800 years. So now we will have to do it for them. It won't be pretty. But there is no question that we have to do it or die.

So I will not be listening to any more discussions of whether there are or aren't moderate Muslims at this point. If there are any, they certainly haven't proven themselves very useful in combatting the terror which threaten to make the world lousy for the next 100 years.

22 posted on 05/29/2004 1:59:29 PM PDT by Maceman (Too nuanced for a bumper sticker)
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To: fella

If this guy feels this way the logical extension is If its ok for them to Kill us , Its ok For us to kill them.


23 posted on 05/29/2004 1:59:44 PM PDT by sgtbono2002 (I aint wrong, I aint sorry , and I am probably going to do it again.)
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To: Veritas_est
A leading Muslim teacher in the United Kingdom is telling his followers that the killing of non-Moslems is in accordance with Islamic teachings.

Then, the reverse should be true, as well--for non-Moslems, right?
24 posted on 05/29/2004 2:05:04 PM PDT by TomGuy (Clintonites have such good hind-sight because they had their heads up their hind-ends 8 years.)
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To: Veritas_est

turnabout case law and all................


25 posted on 05/29/2004 2:05:34 PM PDT by blackdog (I feed the sheep the coyotes eat)
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To: Maceman

Wow! nicely said Maceman!!! I will be plagiarizing your statement in the many posts I make on my local leftie message board if you don't mind. that was one jewel of a post, keep it up. :)


26 posted on 05/29/2004 2:08:36 PM PDT by Stars N Stripes (My baloney has a first name, it's h o m e r, my baloney has a second name it's h o m e r .......)
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To: Veritas_est

If the Muslims really want to show us they are peaceful and against the "radicals" then Isuggest that those who are fluent in the Arabic languages sign up immediately to be translators for the armed services and the NSA...then maybe I will believe them ( if their translations are accurate and not doctored like so many of those before have been)


28 posted on 05/29/2004 2:11:20 PM PDT by jnarcus
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To: nuconvert
True, true.

But it would certainly appear that the R.O.P. isn't suffering from any shortage of his ilk.

Scratch a muzzie - sniff a terrorist (if not right now, then later).

29 posted on 05/29/2004 2:16:00 PM PDT by MarineDad (So what's the big deal? Allah wears panties on his head, too...but you don't hear HIM complaining.)
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To: MarineDad; All
"Moslem cleric in England says killing non-Moslems is OK"

OH NO!
I've been found out.

30 posted on 05/29/2004 2:18:31 PM PDT by Veritas_est (Truth is)
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To: Veritas_est
Note non-denial from any Muslims anywhere.
31 posted on 05/29/2004 2:21:38 PM PDT by Ukiapah Heep (Shoes for Industry!)
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To: fella
According to the Koran I own (printed before 1960 and political correctness) he is absolutely correct.

And you are absolutely right. Sheik Hamsa knows his Koran.

32 posted on 05/29/2004 2:23:33 PM PDT by mississippi red-neck
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To: Ukiapah Heep
Whatchya talking about? Listen really hard, and there's no mistaking it!

Millions of voices raised in howling protests of righteous indignation

Either that, or it's those damned crickets again...

33 posted on 05/29/2004 2:23:54 PM PDT by MarineDad (So what's the big deal? Allah wears panties on his head, too...but you don't hear HIM complaining.)
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To: Maceman

Feel free to stop listening....
The reality is, the U.S. doesn't fight like that. We identify the enemy, and then try our best to limit casualties to that enemy. We can't declare war on 1.2 billion people, the vast majority of whom just want to live and provide for their families.


34 posted on 05/29/2004 2:24:09 PM PDT by nuconvert ("America will never be intimidated by thugs and assassins." ( Azadi baraye Iran)
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To: Veritas_est; All; MarineDad
Oooops. I meant to post this instead of that last post.

"I think you're just trying to start some trouble around here."

OH NO!!!
I've been found out.

35 posted on 05/29/2004 2:25:03 PM PDT by Veritas_est (Truth is)
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To: cogentconservative
The reason she can make the claim is that according to the Koran, it's just fine to lie to non-Moslems.

Perhaps we should deal with them with lex talonis.

36 posted on 05/29/2004 2:27:27 PM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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To: Veritas_est

Unification through extermination


37 posted on 05/29/2004 2:30:26 PM PDT by JamesA ( The more you try to change my convictions the more resolved I am to keep them.)
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To: nuconvert
The reality is, the U.S. doesn't fight like that.

Oh, bullsh!t. Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Dresden, Tokyo . . . Ring a bell to you? Or are you two years old?

38 posted on 05/29/2004 2:32:42 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: QuokkaPerth

they don't have any guns cause they gave them all to the goobermint. so, how are they going to have a war??


39 posted on 05/29/2004 2:32:59 PM PDT by cajun-jack
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To: LibWhacker

The reality is, things have changed. Or haven't you noticed?


40 posted on 05/29/2004 2:34:13 PM PDT by nuconvert ("America will never be intimidated by thugs and assassins." ( Azadi baraye Iran)
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