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Ranger Tillman 'probably' killed by friendly fire, Army says
CBS Sportsline ^ | May 29, 2004 | N/A

Posted on 05/29/2004 8:33:48 AM PDT by WinOne4TheGipper

FORT BRAGG, N.C. -- Pat Tillman probably was killed by friendly fire while leading his team of Army Rangers up a hill during a firefight in Afghanistan last month, the U.S. Army said Saturday.

Tillman walked away from a $3.6 million NFL contract to join the Army after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. Previous military statements suggested he was killed April 22 under enemy fire.

"While there was no one specific finding of fault, the investigation results indicate that Cpl. Tillman probably died as a result of friendly fire while his unit was engaged in combat with enemy forces," Lt. Gen. Philip R. Kensington Jr. said at the Army Special Operations Command.

Kensington said the firefight took place in "very severe and constricted terrain in impaired light" with 10 to 12 enemy combatants firing on U.S. forces.

An Afghan military official told The Associated Press on Saturday that Tillman died because of a "misunderstanding" when two mixed groups of American and Afghan soldiers began firing wildly in the confusion following an explosion.

The Afghan official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, also contradicted U.S. reports that the American soldiers had come under enemy fire.

Kensington, who heads Army Special Forces, took no questions Saturday morning after reading the brief statement.

When Tillman was awarded the Silver Star, the Army said he was killed after his platoon was split into two sections for what officials called a ground assault convoy. Tillman was in charge of the lead group.

His group was safely out of the area when the trailing group came under mortar and small arms fire, according to the Army, and he ordered them to return.

"Through the firing, Tillman's voice was heard issuing fire commands to take the fight to the enemy on the dominating high ground," the award announcement said. "Only after his team engaged the well-armed enemy did it appear their fires diminished.

"As a result of his leadership and his team's efforts, the platoon trail section was able to maneuver through the ambush to positions of safety without a single casualty," the announcement said.

Tillman, a member of the elite Ranger unit since 2002, was posthumously promoted from specialist to corporal and also awarded a Purple Heart.

"The result of this investigation in no way diminished the bravery and sacrifice displayed by Cpl. Tillman," said Kensington, who heads Army Special Forces.

A woman who answered the phone late Friday at the home of Tillman's uncle said the family would have no immediate comment.

At a memorial service in his hometown of San Jose, Calif., this month Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., called him "a most honorable man."

"While many of us will be blessed to live a longer life, few of us will ever live a better one," McCain, who spent 5½ years as a prisoner of war in Vietnam, said at Tillman's memorial service.

The friendly fire account was first reported by the Arizona Republic and The Argus of Fremont (Calif.) on Saturday.

"It does seem pretty clear that he was killed by friendly fire," Rep. Trent Franks, R-Ariz., a member of the House Armed Services Committee, told the Republic. Franks said his panel was alerted to the information by the Army's Legislative Liaison Office.

The Afghan official told the AP that two groups of soldiers had drifted some distance apart during the operation in the remote Spera district of Khost province, close to the Pakistani border.

"Suddenly the sound of a mine explosion was heard somewhere between the two groups and the Americans in one group started firing," the official said, citing an account given to him by an Afghan fighter who was part of that group, not Tillman's.

"Nobody knew what it was -- a mine, a remote-controlled bomb -- or what was going on, or if enemy forces were firing. The situation was very confusing," the official said.

"As the result of this firing, that American was killed and three Afghan soldiers were injured. It was a misunderstanding and afterwards they realized that it was a mine that had exploded and there were no enemy forces."

U.S. military officials in Kabul had no immediate comment.

Tillman's platoon was in the area as part of an effort called Operation Mountain Storm, in which they were charged with rooting out Taliban and al-Qaida fighters.

The Arizona Cardinals safety became the first NFL player to die in combat since the Vietnam War. He was one of about 100 U.S. soldiers to have been killed in Afghanistan since the United States invaded in 2001.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Arizona; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; friendlyfire; hero; pattillman; tillman; waronterror
He's still a hero in my book.
1 posted on 05/29/2004 8:33:48 AM PDT by WinOne4TheGipper
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To: WinOne4TheGipper

WHO is trying to make this another anti-military incident?

WHO needs to know than an error killed him.

The only thing that is important is that he gave his life while in service for OUR country and deserved to be remembered for that reason.

damned PC pigs!


2 posted on 05/29/2004 8:36:20 AM PDT by steplock (http://www.gohotsprings.com)
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To: steplock

No PC Pigs to blame here:

The friendly fire account was first reported by the Arizona Republic and The Argus of Fremont (Calif.) on Saturday.

"It does seem pretty clear that he was killed by friendly fire," Rep. Trent Franks, R-Ariz., a member of the House Armed Services Committee, told the Republic. Franks said his panel was alerted to the information by the Army's Legislative Liaison Office.


3 posted on 05/29/2004 8:38:10 AM PDT by OneTimeLurker
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To: WinOne4TheGipper

Lt. Gen. Philip R. Kensington Jr - sounds like a clintoon appointee in there somewhere - not giving up a chance to embarass the USA more.

what a pig he is! he needs to be retired in disgrace. It woukld be much nicer if he could be sent to pakistan to live out the remainder of his slug life.


4 posted on 05/29/2004 8:40:20 AM PDT by steplock (http://www.gohotsprings.com)
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To: OneTimeLurker

It is a shame that it does appear to be a case for fratacide, but that is the nature of combat.


5 posted on 05/29/2004 8:40:55 AM PDT by Americanwolf (Former Navy AO3... IYAOYAS!!!! Population control and landscaping with a bang!)
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To: steplock
The fact is, its a war!,,,people die from many different causes and this man died fighting to keep America Free and our family's safe. During these intense battles rounds are going off in lots of different directions and if someone wasn't shooting at them trying to kill them he wouldn't have gotten shot at all. So there you have it, The Enemy Killed Him!!!!!. God Bless Him and America we need it.
6 posted on 05/29/2004 8:49:21 AM PDT by keystonemike
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To: steplock
Lt. Gen. Philip R. Kensington Jr - sounds like a clintoon appointee in there somewhere - not giving up a chance to embarass the USA more.

There is nothing embarrassing about the fact that he was killed by friendly fire. It happens all the time. Would you prefer to give satisfaction to the enemy that they were the ones who killed this great hero?

Don't shoot the messenger. Tillman died in combat. His death was an accident. There is no disgrace there.

7 posted on 05/29/2004 8:51:56 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (Free the GRPL 3)
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To: keystonemike; Dog

You might take a look at this.


8 posted on 05/29/2004 8:54:18 AM PDT by cibco (Xin Loi... Saddam)
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To: WinOne4TheGipper

No greater love hath this...than a man lay down his life for his friends



Sgt. Pat Tillman walked away from a $3.5 million NFL contract in 2002 to join the US Army Rangers, leaving
both his career and his new bride behind. He and his brother Kevin, (who walked away from a minor-league
baseball career) served in Iraq during Operation Iraqi Freedom.

After leaving Iraq, both men returned to the States for special elite training, before being sent back to
Afghanistan, where the brothers served in the same platoon. Sgt. Tillman was killed while with his unit, part
of the 75th Ranger Regiment, hunting for al Qaeda and Taliban fighters in southeastern Afghanistan. He was
twenty-seven years old.

Pat Tillman was unique in that he embodied all that is good about America -- and his life stands in stark
contrast to the ravings of politicians like Charley Rangel or John Kerry, who claim the military is unfair.

Rangel is attempting to have the government reinstate the draft, claiming the all-volunteer force is
disproportionately poor and consists mainly of minorities. According to Rangel, the only way to get guys like
Pat Tillman into uniform is to draft them. The only ones currently serving, following Rangel's line of thinking,
are those Americans too poor, too disadvantaged and too stupid to get real jobs.

Then there are guys like John Kerry who, if given the authority of the White House, would turn it over to the
United Nations. In John Kerry's world, Sgt. Tillman would have died under the command of the organization
that propped up Saddam Hussein for a dozen years in order to loot Iraq's oil wealth.

But Sgt. Tillman didn't join the US Army Rangers to serve the United Nations -- Tillman gave his life for his
COUNTRY, not for some universalist supra-national debating society whose interests almost always are at
odds with what is good for America. Tillman wasn't a member of the dregs of Rangel's society, he was the
cream of America's youth.

Sgt Tillman was an American -- a real American. He wasn't the kind of guy to talk out both sides of his
mouth. He knew what needed to be done and he did it. Tillman is representative of an America that baffles
the liberals.

Former Reagan speechwriter and Wall Street Journal Opinion columist Peggy Noonan summed it up, writing
in 2002, "As the Vietnam-era song said, "Something's happening here." And what it is may be exactly clear.
Some very talented young men, and women, are joining the armed forces in order to help their country
because, apparently, they love it. After what our society and culture have been through and become the past
30 years or so, you wouldn't be sure that we would still be making their kind, but we are."

As the comedian Mort Sahl likes to say, "We live in the worst political system in the world -- except for all the
others."

Pat Tillman died defending that system. But it goes beyond that. He joined the Army without expectation or
agenda beyond doing what he believed to be the right thing. He was besieged by interview requests from all
manner of media, for obvious reasons.

Tillman turned down all requests. He joined the Army to defend his country, not exploit his fame.

Sgt. Tillman lived for his country. And he died for it. Despite idiots like Ted Kennedy and Hillary Clinton who
keep talking about 'quagmires' and 'another Vietnam' America is still capable of producing heroes like Sgt.
Pat Tillman.

"Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends." (John 15:13)

Semper Fi


9 posted on 05/29/2004 9:18:48 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: WinOne4TheGipper
CBS Sportsline

I found it interesting that ESPN Sports Radio (710AM in Los Angeles) is commenting that
the release of this news on the brink of Memorial Day is a good thing...so that
some nutty folks wouldn't make political hay out of the friendly-fire angle.

Tillman knew the risks and volunteered anyway. It was all "sua sponte" for him
and each of his Rangers brothers..."of his own accord".
Or in simpler terms, the Ranger, when confronted with challenges simply has
to remind himself that "I asked for this".
10 posted on 05/29/2004 9:46:51 AM PDT by VOA
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To: WinOne4TheGipper

Agreed

(friendly fire isn't)

RIP Pat Tillman


11 posted on 05/29/2004 9:58:28 AM PDT by ChefKeith (NASCAR...everything else is just a game!(Except War))
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To: ChefKeith
(friendly fire isn't)

Sadly true. A true American hero, in the highest example of the word.

12 posted on 05/29/2004 10:02:08 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (This is a tag: </> This is a Line ---------)
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To: WinOne4TheGipper

He's still a hero. Friendly fire happens. Bad luck happens. But it wouldn't have happened if he hadn't volunteered to risk his life for his country. Maybe if he stayed home he would have died in an auto accident instead. But as it is, he still gave his life for his country.


13 posted on 05/29/2004 10:07:03 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: WinOne4TheGipper

So, the adored anonymous source in this case is Afgani ... ?

Is anyone else getting sick of "anonymous" sources ... ?


14 posted on 05/29/2004 10:48:33 AM PDT by Tilly (Tilly)
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To: joesnuffy

.


PAT TILLMAN - Enemy of Vietnam Vets


http://www.TheAlamoFILM.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=883



...........still.


.


15 posted on 05/29/2004 10:58:44 AM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE (Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.LZXRAY.com)
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To: joesnuffy

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Oooop's ..try this:


PAT TILLMAN = A Hero for the Ages

http://www.TheAlamoFILM.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3169


.


16 posted on 05/29/2004 11:36:17 AM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE (Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.LZXRAY.com)
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To: All
Keep an eye on these idiots @ Airliners.net. Right now the Eurotrash and U.S. liberals, except for the starter of the thread, haven't replied but they will. The thread starter is a militant anti-Bush liberal who rejoices any time Americans die.
17 posted on 05/29/2004 1:10:45 PM PDT by COEXERJ145
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To: WinOne4TheGipper; All
Meanwhile, some so-called conservatives use this story to bash the Bush Administration and the "neocons"
18 posted on 05/29/2004 1:49:27 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: WinOne4TheGipper
One of the first rules in battle: friendly fire isn't friendly.

My grandfather was in WWII and in numerous battles in the Pacific. He told me that friendly fire was very common. But then no one tried to figure it out, it was considered a part of life.

We've gotten much better at figuring out who shot whom. Probably because we're the ones doing most of the killing. However, as long as we work on our procedures we shouldn't beat ourselves up too much.

19 posted on 05/29/2004 8:45:38 PM PDT by fini
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