Has Kerry been TOLD (Clintons/Torricelli) NOT to Accept Nomination Before Autumn Polls Conducted???

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[xzins]

Is there Any evidence that Kerry was served notice about his inability to make progress against a reeling President Bush?

The NYTimes power brokers can use all the Hanoi John Kerry, Kommunist Kerry, Viet Kong Kerry, Flip-Flop Kerry angles to DESTROY him and he knows it.

[M. Dodge Thomas]

If the Republicans don't have FBI documents on Bill and Hill at the ready, they aren't fit for this fight.

I don't think (legal problems aside) leaking this sort of material is a pissing match Republicans want to get into - for example the Bush administration is at loggerheads with much of the CIA, and the CIA presumably has lots of documentation of the decades long business relationship between the Bush family and the Saudis, including some members of the Bin Laden family. Making this a matter of wide public discussion would be a godsend to the Democrats.

Please note that I'm not parroting left-wing conspiracy theories here, or singling out the Bush family's business relationships – though of course the press and the Democrats would be happy to do so. This is a generic problem for anyone doing business with the Saudis; theirs is a pretty unsavory political and social arrangement, and if you do business wth them it's likely you are becoming involved with people who's behavior won’t easily withstand scrutiny by Western sensibilities. So this has the potential to turn very ugly as an election issue.

[skinkinthegrass]

...All in all...your comments about Shrillary "the *itch" Klintoon (and the fear of same.) and Bob "It's my turn" Dole may be correct...and its' still early to guess/divine what the 'RATs plan for late summer/early fall...except to bash the GOP

Its' just, The unrestrained power of the Liberal Media, that has ME spooked...the voters must be made to realize that; the media, has already picked their favorites...for the last 40+ years.

...would it have been different, if we had a real, responsible, Free Press?.. I think so.

[xzins]

You actually believe on one hand the Clinton's are this political "divine force" for the left, while at the same time ignore the fact they've led the Democratic Party into clear Minority Status, and have given the Party a seriously flawed far leftwing candidate with a anti defense voting record that stretches back two decades, huh?

Well, actually, I don't believe that. I believe that the Dem Party is run by a cabal of power brokers. I believe that Clinton's great capacity, so far as this group was concerned, was his ability to get himself elected. He presented really well. HILLARY has SOME of that same ability. (She proved it in New York.)

I do not believe that Kerry ever was the candidate of choice for either the cabal or for the Clintons. He was their fall-back guy.

The Torricelli affair is a matter of record.

We must, therefore, consider that Kerry has been ORDERED to hold back on accepting the nomination. It is not a wild-eyed possibility. It is a real possibility.

[xzins]

If I remember correctly, Perot pulled 19% the first run and 9% the 2nd run.

Those were republican votes that disappeared.

They are why Clinton won.

You have a legitimate point in asking WHY Perot became a viable candidate. "No new taxes" was one of them.

A decades long deficit was the other. Bush didn't own responsibility for that any more than anyone else did.

[xzins]

Yep.

Let the delegates go home and everything is up in the air. That leaves it to the smoky back room.

[Salvation]

I've been wondering, too.

Question is:
"When will the real dirty stuff come out about Kerry's past?

So far it all seems to have fallen on the deaf ears of the lamestream media.

[olde north church]

Degrees of Separation:
DNC = Al Gore = David Kendall = National Enquirer = Rush Limbaugh/Bill Bennett
Discredit high profile members of the opposition.
Celebrity Related Propaganda Campaign:
Moore, Franken, Stern - claims of censorship.
Throw away references in media - Law and Order, Whoopi, The Simpsons, etc.
Overt - Streisand, Penn, Madonna, Moby, Depp, Dixie Chicks.
National Media:
Selective information presented re: war efforts, "scandals", personal backgrounds, accepting blatant lies as fact.
The coordinated effort is a fact.
Accept and devise retaliation methods.
Instigate, agitate, infiltrate.

[Salvation]

**(Didn't he have a bout with cancer a few years back? Has he ever released his medical records?)**

Yes and No to your questions.

[xzins]

Kerry knows and the leftist media knows that they can destroy Kerry with the information they CURRENTLY have.

I'm certain that there's other stuff that's still in the closet. The bimbo in Kenya is one; and there's the real possibility of bimbo eruptions if the media wished to go there. In fact, wasn't it Wes Clarke who foretold the Kenya bimbo eruption? He was tipped off. He was a Clinton selectee.

[normy]

If Kerry has not selected a VP by nomination time then I would get suspicious, but Hillary still would get beat by Bush. If Hillary is the VP get ready for the switch.

[Badeye]

The problem with your math is the assumptions.

Not all of the Perot voters would have voted for former President Bush under any circumstances.

In the 96 race, that dispartity becomes even larger in my opinion. Dole got what, 37% in 96? Even if he received all 9% Perot got, he would still have come up short.

Bush the Elder lost his bid for reelection in the Spring of 1992. Here we are in the Spring of 04, and his son isn't doing much better at this point, which has me very very concerned.

[xzins]

Coming out of the convention without a VP is an excellent question.

Will Kerry have to at least propose a VP? Does the convention have to vote on the VP?

If so, then the only one coming out of the convention with a legitimate vote would be that VP candidate.

That has to mean something.

[xzins]

It's always the assumptions that'll either kill ya or make ya look like a flippin' genius!

Let's hope I'm a genius. :>)

[normy]

Just for the sake of argument, if McCain were to accept VP could he then be the candidate if Kerry falls by the wayside? Seriously though if Edwards or Richardson were to be the VP pick I would think they would be the guy should Kerry not make it. If Hillary is the VP pick then you can count on Kerry not making it.

[olde north church]

One little thing the Hillary conspiracy theorists are forgetting. Well actually 2 little things, Nader and Dean. There is no way Hillary can dodge the war with those two floating around, they WILL run as a team. It will be the political equivelant of putting Lenin a train to Russia.
The so-called "anarchists" (read: Socialists on mommy and daddy's dime) believe Clinton was as much a globalist, if not more, than Bush.
Arkancide is out of the question, especially after the Wellstone Memorial debacle, except for the diehards, people do wake up.

[xzins]

I don't know the rules of the dem party on those kinds of things. If a pres candidate steps aside, does the VP candidate automatically go forward? Do they have a new convention? Do they chose a new guy in a smoky back room (most likely, imho.)?

[MHGinTN]

I agree, the notion of saying he's considering waiting until weeks after the convention to accept the nomination is a clontonesque move ... clintonesque in that it makes Kerry out to be even more feckless and thus even less likely to win in Nov and be an obstacle to Hatellary Rodhamster in 2008. But I'm still not convinced that the clintons (who are in fact still running the dnc) would not push Kerry off the stage should the president's negatives reach an alarm number while Kerry's electability doesn't rise.

[Badeye]

He he he, yeah, lets hope....(grin)

Its good to keep a sense of humor on these topics.

[xzins]

keep a sense of humor

Absolutely.

For too many it's "all war all the time."

Better to recognize that "there's a time for war and a time for humorous recognition that one's opinions are not Writ from God Hisself."

[Badeye]

Good point.