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To Saddam's Prisoners, US Abuse Seems 'a Joke': Some feel past crimes have been forgotten
The Daily Star [ Beirut, Lebanon] ^ | May 24, 2004 | Gert Van Langendonk

Posted on 05/24/2004 11:44:31 AM PDT by quidnunc

Baghdad – Ibrahim al-Idrissi, 37, goes to work every day with a handgun in a holster on his hip. In most countries, the line of work Idrissi is in wouldn't require such firepower. But this is Iraq. Idrissi is the president of the Association for Free Prisoners, an Iraqi non-governmental organization that has been documenting the execution of political prisoners under the regime of Saddam Hussein.

Many of Saddam's torturers and executioners are still at large. There have been two attempts on Idrissi's life, and three on the organization's headquarters in Baghdad. "Fortunately, their aim hasn't been very good so far," Idrissi says.

One year ago, the organization was still called the Committee to Free Prisoners. In the hectic days after the fall of Baghdad, when people were digging holes all over the capital looking for secret prisons, there was still hope that some of the tens of thousands of political prisoners who disappeared under Saddam's regime were still alive somewhere. That hope has vanished, says Abdul Fatah al-Idrissi, 35, Ibrahim's younger brother. "Now, our work is not about releasing prisoners anymore."

Instead, it has become about documenting the horrors of the old regime. So far, the organization has been able to confirm the execution of 147,000 prisoners by Saddam. Last year, the garden of the group's headquarters, in a villa on the bank of the Tigris River in Kahdimiya, was filled with wailing and sobbing as hundreds of families came to check the names of their missing relatives against the lists being posted on a daily basis by the Idrissis and other volunteers. The lists were based on files recovered from Saddam's security apparatus. Behind the house, hundreds of now empty filing cabinets have begun to rust.

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"Amer's wife didn't lose the baby. So the guard took a knife, cut her belly open and took the baby out with his hands. The woman and child died minutes later. Then the guard used the same knife to cut Amer's throat." There is a moment of silence. Then Idrissi says: "What we have seen about the recent abuse at Abu Ghraib is a joke to us."

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(Excerpt) Read more at dailystar.com.lb ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Extended News; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 2004electionbias; atrocities; attrocities; ccrm; deathcamp; humanrights; iraq; iraqipowphotos; mediabias; murder; nazilikebrutality; saddamsregime; torture
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1 posted on 05/24/2004 11:44:33 AM PDT by quidnunc
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To: quidnunc
Iteresting that it is a Lebanon newspaper publishes an article putting this hyped up scandal in to perspective.

Heaven forbid our objective professional free press do anything of the sort.

2 posted on 05/24/2004 11:48:33 AM PDT by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: quidnunc
"What we have seen about the recent abuse at Abu Ghraib is a joke to us."

Welcome to the civilized world, my friend. You're joining a culture of individual freedom and prosperity, rich because of the free market and the rule of law.

But it ain't all a bed of roses. The western media has been so thoroughly co-opted by Leftists over the last thirty years that you'll need to get used to this kind of politically motivated distortion. Don't worry, you kind of get used to it after a while.

3 posted on 05/24/2004 11:51:43 AM PDT by Starve The Beast (I used to be disgusted, but now I try to be amused)
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To: quidnunc

BTTT


4 posted on 05/24/2004 11:54:41 AM PDT by Attillathehon
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To: tallhappy

Our media considers a substantial portion of that torture (the abortion) a Constitutional right.


5 posted on 05/24/2004 11:55:10 AM PDT by blanknoone (I voted for before I voted against it, didn't show up for the vote except once, but left too early)
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To: quidnunc

The left is impervious to the truth. One thing's for sure-you'll never hear or see any of this on 60 Minutes or Dateline.


6 posted on 05/24/2004 11:56:11 AM PDT by Spok
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To: quidnunc

LIberal media with fingers in ears: "NA! NA! NA! NA! NA! WE-DON'T-WANT-TO-HEAR-THIS! NA! NA! NA! NA! NA!"


7 posted on 05/24/2004 12:00:42 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: quidnunc

I hope everyone reading this thread clicks the link to the whole article.

Here's the part before the woman and baby being killed - it is horrible, but what I find terrible is the US media not reporting these atrocities.

***Idrissi seems a bit callous about the fate of the Iraqis in US-run jails, he has probably earned the right to differ. He recalls a day in 1982, at the General Security prison in Baghdad:

"They called all the prisoners out to the courtyard for what they called a 'celebration.' We all knew what they meant by 'celebration.' All the prisoners were chained to a pipe that ran the length of the courtyard wall. One prisoner, Amer al-Tikriti, was called out. They said if he didn't tell them everything they wanted to know, they would show him torture like he had never seen. He merely told them he would show them patience like they had never seen."

"This is when they brought out his wife, who was five months pregnant. One of the guards said that if he refused to talk he would get 12 guards to rape his wife until she lost the baby. Amer said nothing. So they did. We were forced to watch. Whenever one of us cast down his eyes, they would beat us."

"Amer's wife didn't lose the baby. So the guard took a knife, cut her belly open and took the baby out with his hands. The woman and child died minutes later. Then the guard used the same knife to cut Amer's throat." There is a moment of silence. Then Idrissi says: "What we have seen about the recent abuse at Abu Ghraib is a joke to us."

The Idrissis, and many families like them, feel that people in Iraq have too quickly relegated the horrors of the old regime to the annals of history. "But it is not the past to us," says Idrissi. "The mother of the person who was killed, his brothers and sisters, they are alive. We are still living the nightmare every day."


8 posted on 05/24/2004 12:02:05 PM PDT by little jeremiah ("Gay Marriage" - a Weapon of Mass. Destruction!)
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To: little jeremiah

Here's the very end of the article:

***The brothers hope to get compensation for the families, who have often lost all their belongings in addition to their loved ones. One day, they hope, the executioners will be put on trial. But most of all, they want recognition for what they, and thousands of others like them, have been through. And that people would stop saying "things were better under Saddam."

"Only criminals could say such a thing. The victims deserve better than this," Idrissi concludes.


9 posted on 05/24/2004 12:04:25 PM PDT by little jeremiah ("Gay Marriage" - a Weapon of Mass. Destruction!)
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To: quidnunc

Iraqi artist Salah Edine Sallat puts the final touches to a wall painting based on the US Statue of Liberty and a widely published photograph of an abused detainee at the Abu Ghraib prison in Baghdad's Shiite neighborhood of Sadr City.(AFP/Ramzi Haidar)


10 posted on 05/24/2004 12:05:18 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: tallhappy
Despite Syria's attempt to squeeze whatever life and freedom remained in Lebanon after it's ravishment by Arafat's PLO thugs and the hordes of Shia' lunatics living in the surburbs of Beirut, it still enjoys one of the freest presses in the entire Middle East.

If the plight of the Maronite and Melkite Churches got as much attention from the media as this over-hyped Abu Gharib garbage, perhaps we'd be in a much better spot than we're currently facing.

11 posted on 05/24/2004 12:14:26 PM PDT by The Scourge of Yazid ("Why don't we just ask Gerard? Gerard knows everything.")
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To: quidnunc; MeekOneGOP; onyx; tiamat; MEG33; 4mycountry; dyed_in_the_wool; rdb3

datum.

useful debate ammo


12 posted on 05/24/2004 12:16:26 PM PDT by King Prout (the difference between "trained intellect" and "indoctrinated intellectual" is an Abyssal gulf)
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To: King Prout

I'm stalking you!

;-)


13 posted on 05/24/2004 12:19:14 PM PDT by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno-World!")
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To: tiamat

ah... but what happens should I decide to let you catch me? ;)


14 posted on 05/24/2004 12:20:27 PM PDT by King Prout (the difference between "trained intellect" and "indoctrinated intellectual" is an Abyssal gulf)
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To: King Prout

LOL!

Hadn't thought about that!


15 posted on 05/24/2004 12:23:07 PM PDT by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno-World!")
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To: tiamat

how shortsighted of ye 0.o


16 posted on 05/24/2004 12:27:30 PM PDT by King Prout (the difference between "trained intellect" and "indoctrinated intellectual" is an Abyssal gulf)
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To: tiamat

side-note: something in this caused me to wonder whether we have a FReeper called "Frumious Bandersnatch"
we do.
but...
he has been silent for a year.
whut tha dilly, yo?


17 posted on 05/24/2004 12:29:30 PM PDT by King Prout (the difference between "trained intellect" and "indoctrinated intellectual" is an Abyssal gulf)
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To: tallhappy
I think the Arab world is seeing how much of a screaming pariah our media can be and that our press is not interested in reporting what is right, but what will sell, and anything to do political damage to a admin that is trying to help these people for once. Unlike the slick meister who sat at camp David and only talked about it.
18 posted on 05/24/2004 12:37:16 PM PDT by Americanwolf (Former Navy AO3... IYAOYAS!!!! Population control and landscaping with a bang!)
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To: tallhappy
I think the Arab world is seeing how much of a screaming pariah our media can be and that our press is not interested in reporting what is right, but what will sell, and anything to do political damage to a admin that is trying to help these people for once. Unlike the slick meister who sat at camp David and only talked about it.
19 posted on 05/24/2004 12:37:19 PM PDT by Americanwolf (Former Navy AO3... IYAOYAS!!!! Population control and landscaping with a bang!)
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To: lepton

bookmark bump


20 posted on 05/24/2004 12:42:19 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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