Proof that at least one of two (evolution, ice age) key theories is false

official school material ^ | 04/05/21 | self

[Truth666]

These are three of the dogmas which we are endoctrinated nowadays in school : #1 - origins of the current forms life forms: by evolution from previous forms #2 - appearance of Homo Sapiens (from encarta): The oldest known fossils that possess skeletal features typical of modern humans date from between 130,000 and 90,000 years ago. #3 - last ice age (from encarta): the most recent ice age, the Pleistocene Epoch, lasted from about 1.6 million years to 10,000 years before present ... when temperatures were 5° to 7° C cooler than today.

#1 and #2 are part of current evolution theory; #3 is part of current ice age theory.

There can be no doubts that no other theory has so much impact on modern society as evolution theory. In view of the signs of climate change from the last years, ice age theory is impacting society more by the day.

From these dogmas we immediately can take the following conclusion : homo sapiens has already experienced an ice age.

Now hold on to your seat : relying solely on the assumptions of both theories, there's plenty of evidence that AT LEAST one of these theories is false ! In other words : these theories are incompatible.

Let's take one piece of evidence that any high school student can understand.

Lord Howe Island - living proof

This is not just another coral reef. This is Lord Howe Island, by far the southern-most coral reef in the world. Its existance is only possible due to particular climate conditions that affect an area of the world where no other land rises even remotely near sea level. In fact there's nothing but deep ocean until Port Macquarie, on the NSW coast, 550 kms away.

This wonder of the world would be immediately destroyed, if the ocean temperature would drop just one degree Celsius. If the temperature would drop 5°C both endemic unmistakable palms (including the most popular indoor palm of the world, howea forsteriana) would also perish. So, just to take these two examples, both the coral and the howea would have had to have developed from scratch during the last 10,000 years. A claim that nobody would dare to make.

[Truth666]

It was in the CNN message board that for the first time obvious evidence was presented that evolution is impossible, based on human races and migration.

[Truth666]

you haven't shown: A) that the island was necessarily devoid of both coral and palms during the last ice age
Good to have mentioned that - let's just concentrate in the coral for that and forget about the palms, since the palms exampple is 5°Celsius less obvious.
To answer you, nothing better than continue with the subject of my post #92, which started explainig "How to sell big lie based constructs".

Technique #2 - make sure that key evidence is never presented.
Fact : current yearly average water temperature of Lord Howe is 21.3°C. Nobody would contend that during the last ice age that temperature at 32° S didn't drop at least 2°. Coral reefs can't survive unless yearly average water temperature is warmer than 20° C.

Implementing technique #1
- whenever you see an article about Lord Howe Island make sure that there are no references to Ice Age.

[Truth666]

at the end of my previous post I meant "Implementing technique #2".

[PatrickHenry]

Don't bring a knife to a gunfight placemarker.

[Physicist]

Nobody would contend that during the last ice age that temperature at 32° S didn't drop at least 2°.

Nobody has to. If you are contending that it dropped MORE than 2°, YOU have to demonstrate it. You're the one making the bold claim, here.

I warn you, it's not an obvious point. Ocean temperatures in specific locations can be dominated by the warm and cold ocean currents, rather than local weather conditions.

But let's assume that you have managed to show that the reefs died out in the last ice age. Maybe you've done the simple thing, and performed some carbon dating on the reefs themselves to show that they were quiescent during the last ice age, instead of doing complex numerical modelling of the ocean currents during that time period. Now you also have to show that the reefs could not have been recolonized from elsewhere, afterwards.

Can do?

[null and void]

Don't you think we should give the Moose-Limbs another 13 centuries to evolve from their present barbaric state?

I see no evidence that they are evolving.

[NewLand]

PROOF OF EVOLUTION...EVIDENCE MOUNTS...

[Physicist]

Interesting. Coral colonies form on drilling platforms, too.

[Truth666]

"If you are contending that it dropped MORE than 2°, YOU have to demonstrate it. You're the one making the bold claim, here."
It's not me who is making this claim, it is the official school material that I'm using as reference to prove that it's incompatible with evolution theory. That material teaches us that 10,000 years ago temperatures were at least 5°C cooler than today. It doesn't tell some areas were less than 2° C colder than today.

[Physicist]

Uh...you DO understand that the 5° is an average decrease in temperature, and that you can't simply subtract 5° from local temperatures across the globe, and particularly not ocean temperatures...don't you?

[Physicist]

...and you DO understand the difference between "official school materials" and peer-reviewed science, right?

[Truth666]

And how far from the Flower Garden Banks are these oil platforms ?

[Truth666]

That was just the perfect reply for me to continue with the subject I started with my post #92 and continued with my post #102 : "How to sell big lie based constructs".

Technique #3 - avoid precising any compromising details
Fact : ice age theory claims that 10,000 years ago the world was globally at least 5° cooler.

Implementing technique #3 - make sure that the model explaining the last ice age is vague enough to avoid conclusions at any areas where conclusions are not desirable.

[Truth666]

Does that mean that you agree with me in that students are being told lies ?

[GeekDejure]

PROOF OF EVOLUTION...EVIDENCE MOUNTS...

Yes... Yess... Yessss... I see it too... his face has very clearly evolved into a MOUNT of white masky mush !!! ;-))

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[ColdSteelTalon]

evolution can be tested Tested how so? I have heard of no test that proves or disproves evolution. So far all I hear are theorires that change and change and change.

[Dimensio]

Tested how so?

Study DNA, and look for examples in DNA that contradict what is predicted by evolution theory. Same with the fossil record.

I have heard of no test that proves or disproves evolution.

There is no test that will "prove" evolution, as no theory in science can be proven. As for tests of disproof, your ignorance does not mean that they don't exist. One test is to search for a precambrian rabbit fossil. If you find one, you've disproven evolution.

So far all I hear are theorires that change and change and change.

All theories in science are subject to change. That's the nature of science. Your admission that evolution is a theory means that you must concede that evolution can be tested -- all scientific theories are, by definition, testable.

[Truth666]

Before I answer the open (correct) question of possiblity of the reef forming in the last 10,000 years from dirtboy, #28, I will answer quickly the incorrect questions / statements addressed directly to me.
So all you've done is present evidence that both the flora and the fauna of this microcosm has actually had to evolve (via natural selection) to weather these climate changes that you insist on. Unless these changes and their effects are not the only viable scenario...
Wrong. Again I presented what the title of this thread says, and in the process of answering the refutation I also proved evolution to be impossible - but that's just a side effect.
It's well know : the bigger the lie the easier it is to expose it. No wonder that a discussion where evolution is present at some part must lead to exposing it as a lie in short time.

[Truth666]

I disagree that the the ice age ended 10,000 years ago.
I'm not trying to find out IF or WHEN did an Ice Age took place. I'm just proving that what we learn is false.

[Truth666]

Of course he means that since evolution is false (the premise), the ice-ages make evolution false.. oh wait.. nevermind
Wrong. explained above in post to CobraScott.