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48 House Catholics send warning to Bishops
MSNBC ^ | May 20, 2004 | Alan Cooperman

Posted on 05/20/2004 6:19:23 AM PDT by NYer

Edited on 05/20/2004 8:46:00 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Forty-eight Roman Catholic members of Congress have warned in a letter to Cardinal Theodore E. McCarrick of Washington that U.S. bishops will revive anti-Catholic bigotry and severely harm the church if they deny Communion to politicians who support abortion rights.The letter's signers, all Democrats, include at least three House members with strong antiabortion voting records.

"For many years Catholics were denied public office by voters who feared that they would take direction from the Pope," they wrote. ". . . While that type of paranoid anti-Catholicism seems to be a thing of the past, attempts by Church leaders today to influence votes by the threat of withholding a sacrament will revive latent anti-Catholic prejudice, which so many of us have worked so hard to overcome."

The three-page letter, dated May 10, was sent to McCarrick because he heads a task force of U.S. bishops that is considering whether, and how, the church should take action against Catholic politicians whose public positions are at odds with Catholic doctrine.

McCarrick's spokesman, Susan Gibbs, said he would not comment on the letter. She said the seven-member task force is "listening to many different voices" and will grant the 48 House members' request for a meeting. "They will be heard. It just hasn't been arranged yet," she said.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: Connecticut; US: District of Columbia; US: Massachusetts; US: Ohio; US: Pennsylvania; US: Rhode Island; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: catholiclist; catholicpoliticians; kerry; politicalextortion
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To: ninenot; sinkspur
There's a logical next step in this process, which is to declare that it is mortally sinful to belong to the Democrat Party, since it includes a pro-choice platform in its policies.

That's NOT a logical step, as you well know--but it enhances your rhetorical attack on the few good men who have made life uncomfortable for the pols.

Why is it that whenever bishops take strong steps to defend life and the teachings of the Catholic Church on abortion, certain "deacons" always seem to have a problem.

His argument is almost as insane as: "Better not attack the jihadis. It'll only make them hate us more."

201 posted on 05/20/2004 10:58:56 AM PDT by Antoninus (Federal Marriage Amendment, NOW!)
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To: sinkspur; Romulus
I'm asking hard questions here because they're the very questions Catholics will be bringing up to their own bishops, priests, and yes, deacons.
As I told Romulus privately, I'm not convinced that politicans who vote to support laws that provide access to abortion should be barred from communion. Where the argument falls apart for me is that, strictly speaking, it does not necessarily follow that because a politican supports laws that suffer women to have abortions under certain circumstances that one desires or encourages women to have abortions under those circumstances, or that one believes abortion is either virtuous or morally neutral.
202 posted on 05/20/2004 10:59:11 AM PDT by eastsider
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To: eastsider
I don't buy that. If a politician voted to legalize murder, no one would give him a pass on that basis.

Given that Church teaching recognizes the unborn as fully human, there is no real difference between that and voting to keep abortion legal.

203 posted on 05/20/2004 11:03:11 AM PDT by B Knotts
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To: katana
The Catholic Church is opposed to the death penalty and this war as well. Should catholics who favor the war and the death penalty be denied communion? Should they leave the church?

There are way too many cafeteria Catholics. However, to be fair, both liberal and conservative Catholic politicians seem to pick and choose which church teaching to ignore.

204 posted on 05/20/2004 11:05:16 AM PDT by dogbyte12
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To: BlessedBeGod
You're putting the election before your faith.

The bishops are speaking out because of elections. I'm merely responding to their statements.

205 posted on 05/20/2004 11:05:51 AM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: sinkspur
If this were about souls, how come did the bishops wait until an election year to make an issue out of how certain politicians vote?

Hard as it is to grasp, even politicians have souls. Even politicians that seem to delight in having cameras trained on them in the election season as they take Communion. This is the best 'teachable moment' the Church has had in quite a while.

You know, for all the well deserved criticism over the abuse scandal in the Church, the Bishops can't win. They are damned if they do and damned if they don't.

A_R

206 posted on 05/20/2004 11:06:00 AM PDT by arkady_renko
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To: sinkspur
I'm not a bishop.

You're not a deacon either, but you do play one on Free Republic.

;-)
207 posted on 05/20/2004 11:07:15 AM PDT by Antoninus (Federal Marriage Amendment, NOW!)
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To: BlackElk

And where are these legions of properly chatecized catholics now? When your faith is based on the absolute truth of the Bible and on nothing else, then you have no room for the "humanism" that seems to be creeping in here. No room for anyone in authority to make it up as he goes, to sell anullments, etc.


208 posted on 05/20/2004 11:08:44 AM PDT by vandykelastone (Nuts to Governor Goober: let's get serious now!)
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To: Antoninus
Why is it that whenever bishops take strong steps to defend life and the teachings of the Catholic Church on abortion, certain "deacons" always seem to have a problem.

Because there's been no groundwork, no background, no explanation why, for 31 years, the bishops turned their heads at the votes of these very same politicians.

Read Rod Dreher's column about the subject, from earlier in the week.

Bishops think Catholics are going to pay attention to them now.

209 posted on 05/20/2004 11:08:49 AM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: Zack Nguyen

You bet it's coming. It's easy for people to guffaw at the notion of a modern day persecution of Catholics. As we witnessed on 9/11, things can change very quickly. Once churches start getting picketed on Sundays by these groups, it'll get ugly. Short of that, I fully expect Catholic hospitals to get thrown under the bus at some point, as well as the repeal of the Christmas federal holiday and Good Friday observance in the markets...

If the Church is truly the body of Christ, then it goes that the Church will be crucified and rise again... We've been in the scourging stages for about two thousand years now...


210 posted on 05/20/2004 11:10:00 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever
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To: sinkspur
And, you may get your backlash.

The propagation of the Faith thrives on adversity and languishes in prosperity.
211 posted on 05/20/2004 11:10:59 AM PDT by Antoninus (Federal Marriage Amendment, NOW!)
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To: eastsider
Where the argument falls apart for me is that, strictly speaking, it does not necessarily follow that because a politican supports laws that suffer women to have abortions under certain circumstances that one desires or encourages women to have abortions under those circumstances, or that one believes abortion is either virtuous or morally neutral.

A similar argument could be made about the Marriage Amendment.

Many politicians, Catholics included, just don't think amendments to the Constitution are a good idea. That doesn't mean that they promote homosexual marriage.

212 posted on 05/20/2004 11:12:31 AM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: B Knotts
I agree, it's exactly the same question: How does it necessarily follow that to suffer murder under certain circumstances means to desire murder under those certain circumstances or to say that murder is a virtuous act?
213 posted on 05/20/2004 11:14:25 AM PDT by eastsider
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To: eastsider

Abortion is one of the few matters the Church considers "intrinsically evil". Legislators who support a law that upholds evil are in grave error.


214 posted on 05/20/2004 11:14:53 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever
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To: Rutles4Ever
Once churches start getting picketed on Sundays by these groups, it'll get ugly. Short of that, I fully expect Catholic hospitals to get thrown under the bus at some point, as well as the repeal of the Christmas federal holiday and Good Friday observance in the markets...

That stuff is small potatos compared to what Catholics in France during the French Revolution endured. If anything, our contemporary revolutionaries have shown a penchant for being even more blood-thirsty.

Keep your powder dry and your rosaries in hand...
215 posted on 05/20/2004 11:14:57 AM PDT by Antoninus (Federal Marriage Amendment, NOW!)
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To: sinkspur
That doesn't mean that they promote homosexual marriage.

It just works out that way.

216 posted on 05/20/2004 11:15:22 AM PDT by Petronski (They could choose between shame and war: Some chose shame, but got war anyway.)
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To: Petronski
It just works out that way.

Do I promote drunkenness because I don't snatch the beer out of my neighbor's hand while he's getting drunk in his back yard?

217 posted on 05/20/2004 11:17:10 AM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: dogbyte12
The Catholic Church is opposed to the death penalty and this war as well. Should catholics who favor the war and the death penalty be denied communion?

The Catholic Church is NOT opposed to the death penalty. The pope is strongly against it, but the Church believes that society has a right to protect itself from those who would destroy it, by use of capital punishment under limited circumstances.

The church issued no documents that I am aware of condemning the war in Iraq. They advised ALL parties to seek a peaceful solution. This was not possible since the Iraqis obfuscated to the end.

218 posted on 05/20/2004 11:18:43 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever
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To: NYer
CNN Lead Story:

Congressional Democrats outraged at God!

Demand 10 Commandment Reform!

219 posted on 05/20/2004 11:20:01 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: eastsider

Please see #214.


220 posted on 05/20/2004 11:21:31 AM PDT by B Knotts
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