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Nick Berg had "coincidental" link to Moussoui
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Posted on 05/13/2004 2:05:20 PM PDT by kcvl

Wow!


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KEYWORDS: answer; berg; cia; fbi; libdad; moussaoui; moussoui; nickberg; questions; terroristlinks
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To: devolve

It boggles the mind: the Marxist true believer in 2004. Still working to "smash imperialism!" And willing to sacrifice his son on the alter of Ba'al.


1,121 posted on 05/14/2004 12:33:17 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: GeoPie
"The real losers are the Iraqis. They killed their best friend. They just didn't know it," said Skip Best.

Thanks for posting. I did a Google on the above quote and only your link shows up.

It's still kinda strange to me that Mr. Best would essentially equate "regular" Iraqis with terrorists. Shouldn't a science teacher (presumably able to think logically) know better?

1,122 posted on 05/14/2004 12:42:39 AM PDT by k2blader (The equivalent of Nick Berg’s murder happens in our nation every 24 seconds. And it’s legal.)
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To: FreeReign

Re: Link to his friend--hey, don't post that, you're going to ruin people's speculatin'!

That and I find it VERY hard to believe that the numerous individuals that knew him and were familiar with his adventurous, wandering side and his skill in science and electronics are all CIA plants.

Maybe Berg's case is exactly what it looks like with a terrible unfortunate connection to Moussaoui?


1,123 posted on 05/14/2004 1:19:38 AM PDT by Skywalk
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To: maggiefluffs

That article explains much.


But it won't derail the people on this thread.


1,124 posted on 05/14/2004 1:28:56 AM PDT by Skywalk
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To: devolve
Yep - Berg *was* quite a jewel all right (crossing Iraq after being given a plane ticket out).

His father is worse off than he was.

1,125 posted on 05/14/2004 1:55:28 AM PDT by Happy2BMe (U.S.A. - - United We Stand - - Divided We Fall - - Support Our Troops - - Vote BUSH)
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To: Southack
According to Robert Moran, Knight Ridder --

Infante said he last saw Berg on April 8 in the hotel's Internet cafe and that Berg told him he was leaving the country because business had declined. Berg talked about taking a plane from Baghdad to Jordan, Infante said.

Duke, who drank beer with Berg the night before he left, said Berg told him he'd made a lot of money and was thinking about going sailing in Turkey. He said he thought Berg was planning to leave the country by land. "He was looking forward to going home," Duke said.

So which is it -- he had no money or he had made a lot?

1,126 posted on 05/14/2004 2:18:41 AM PDT by IrishRainy
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To: txrangerette

bump for reference


1,127 posted on 05/14/2004 2:45:03 AM PDT by lainde (Heads up...We're coming and we've got tongue blades!!)
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To: dep

The Michael Berg in South Carolina is about 37 and is really active in protests, organizing them, etc. Not the same guy.


1,128 posted on 05/14/2004 3:23:10 AM PDT by IrishRainy
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To: OldFriend

I thought it was weird that he collapsed on the lawn after hearing that Nick's death was on the internet. HELLO -- he seemed okay about his son's death -- outside walking around -- but not that every knew knew he had been beheaded! Strange.


1,129 posted on 05/14/2004 3:36:20 AM PDT by IrishRainy
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To: AmishDude; PhiKapMom; Peach; WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
Found this the other day... anti-government site so it seems against any Iraqi link to anything, but some of the content is sourced:


Los Angeles Times 08/24/93 -- The United States has begun resettling in this country up to 4,000 Iraqi soldiers who surrendered during the Persian Gulf War, an effort that has drawn criticism from a coalition of congressmen who believe the prisoners are receiving special treatment never awarded returning American soldiers. The U.S. government is paying between $4,000 and $7,000 to relocate each of the enemy prisoners -- and in some cases their family members. They have been classified as refugees who would be harmed by Iraqi President Saddam Hussein if returned home.

Washington Post 08/25/93 -- Nearly 1,000 Iraqi soldiers captured by U.S. forces during the 1991 Persian Gulf War have been resettled at public expense in cities across the United States. They are among nearly 3,000 Iraqi refugees -- the majority of them civilians -- who have been resettled in the United States from internment camps in Saudi Arabia...

...More than 80 members of Congress have asked President Clinton to end what they called the "potentially dangerous and unfair policy" of resettling captured Iraqi soldiers in the United States along with deserving civilian Iraqi refugees.

..."When we dropped those leaflets on the [Iraqi] Republican Guard, we did not include a plane ticket to Middle America and welfare entitlement benefits. When those guys realized the war was lost, they changed into civilian clothes and surrendered, and now we're rolling out the red carpet," Stearns (Rep, R-Fla.) added in a telephone interview from Ocala, Fla.
You may also remember that a disproportionate number of these Iraqis and their families were planted in Oklahoma and Florida.

Many researchers have investigated the link between some of these "resettlers" and the tragic bombings of the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City on May 16, 1996, and also links between these bombings and the attacks of 9-11.

In the recent past, attempts to link these individuals to Saddam Hussein has failed. Why? Perhaps because there isn't any link. There have however, been claims that these particular people are in "a series of cells that have been aided and abetted by the U.S. Government." Others have been asking more questions:
"Why did FBI agents, who were actually serving their country, arrest five members of the Iraqi Republican Guard involved in the Oklahoma City bombing only for their release to be ordered by Bill Clinton? Why were these Iraqis, who were initially trained in the US in the eighties, brought back in by George Bush senior in the early nineties?

Why did the FBI declare national security to prevent the release of the surveillance tapes that showed Iraqis crawling all over the OKC bomb scene?"
In more recent news:
"Most Iraqi immigrants are believed to be opposed to Saddam Hussein, but security chiefs are worried about those who cannot be traced, The Washington Post reported on Monday. (January 27, 2003)"
So as we attempt to go around this circle of history yet another time, let us remember how we got to where we are in the first place: On March 21, 2003, US House voted 392-11-22 that Iraq war is because of 9-11.

And more on Iraqis and OKC:


What triggered (Jayna) Davis's investigation was a report immediately after the Oklahoma explosion of Middle-Eastern looking men fleeing in a brown Chevrolet truck only minutes earlier. The FBI launched an international hunt for the men but later cancelled the search.

Within days McVeigh and Nichols were arrested, and the case seemed to be one of home-grown terrorists, motivated by a hatred for authority. But the case has always had loose ends. In particular, several witnesses in Oklahoma City that April morning saw a third conspirator with McVeigh. The elusive dark-haired suspect became known as "John Doe 2".

Early on, she (Davis) found that a brown Chevrolet truck almost identical to that once hunted by the FBI had been seen parked outside the offices of a local property management company several days before the bombing.

The owner was a Palestinian with a criminal record and suspected ties to the Palestine Liberation Organisation. Later she found that the man had hired a number of former Iraqi soldiers.

He had recruited them to carry out maintenance on his rental properties, but several were later discovered to be missing from work on the day of the bombing. Eyewitnesses have told Davis that they saw several of them celebrating later that day.

But what increasingly drew her attention was another Iraqi living in Oklahoma City, a restaurant worker called Hussain Hashem Al Hussaini, whose photograph was almost a perfect match to the official sketch of "John Doe 2".

Al Hussaini has a tattoo on his upper left arm, indicating he was once a member of Saddam's elite Republican Guard.

Since then, Davis has gathered hundreds of court records and the sworn testimony of two dozen witnesses. Several claimed to have seen a man fitting Al Hussaini's description drinking with McVeigh in a motel bar four days before the bombing.

Others positively identified former Iraqi soldiers in the company of McVeigh and Nichols. Two swore that they had seen Al Hussaini only a block from the Murrah building in the hours before the bombing.

Davis thinks he may have done so out of loyalty to his family, not wishing to go down in history as a traitor to his country.

But she has evidence that up to 12,000 Iraqis were allowed into America after the Gulf war. Some of these, she suspects, are using their status as refugees for cover. "They are here," she said. "And they are highly trained and motivated."

The renewed interest in Washington is clearly linked to America's case against Saddam as broker of world terror.

And there is more. Al Hussaini, who entered the US from a Saudi refugee camp, worked after the Oklahoma bomb as a cook at Boston's Logan Airport - from where the two hijacked aircraft that hit the World Trade Center took off.

There is another confirmed incident that suggests something more sinister. Two of the 11 September conspirators held a crucial meeting at a motel in Oklahoma City in August 2001. The motel's owner has since identified them as ringleader Mohammed Atta and Zacarias Moussaoui, the so-called 20th hijacker, who has known links with shoebomber Richard Reid.

The motel is unremarkable - except for one thing. It is where a number of Davis's witnesses are sure they saw McVeigh drinking and perhaps plotting with his Iraqi friends.




1,130 posted on 05/14/2004 3:47:17 AM PDT by cgk (Leftist spin: Baghdad Fell? Clinton's Army! Saddam Nabbed? Clinton's Army! Naked Iraqis? Bush's Army)
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To: MiniCooperChick

Do you care to name a few.


1,131 posted on 05/14/2004 3:50:49 AM PDT by billhilly (If you're lurking here from DU, I trust this post will make you sick)
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To: antaresequity

Not totally unrelated - it's AQ. I heard this week on FNC there is speculation Bin Laden has left Iran and is in Africa. Matches what you heard.


1,132 posted on 05/14/2004 3:51:07 AM PDT by cgk (Leftist spin: Baghdad Fell? Clinton's Army! Saddam Nabbed? Clinton's Army! Naked Iraqis? Bush's Army)
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To: MiniCooperChick

Do you care to name a few.


1,133 posted on 05/14/2004 3:51:09 AM PDT by billhilly (If you're lurking here from DU, I trust this post will make you sick)
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To: Spunky

What I saw and head Michael Berg say as did a couple others on this thread who actually saw him,(His composure was like he was livid, mad, shaking). Then he said; "They don't know what they have done. He was a friend (to) or (of) the "Al Queda." At first I couldn't believe what I had heard but the FoxNewsLive anchor, Rick then came on and said; "He meant to say he was a friend to the Iraqi's.


bears repeating... I saw the same interview, heard Rick say the same thing, and just sat there stunned, still. WHAT?
1,134 posted on 05/14/2004 4:14:19 AM PDT by cgk (Leftist spin: Baghdad Fell? Clinton's Army! Saddam Nabbed? Clinton's Army! Naked Iraqis? Bush's Army)
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To: GeoPie; Spunky
Bump to posts 986 and 1134. Skip Best may have said "Iraqis", but Nick's dad, on TV - FNC - TODAY (yesterday?) said "Al Qaeda". The host (Rick Fulbaum) corrected it for him. Unfortunately, the damage was done for me.
1,135 posted on 05/14/2004 4:27:17 AM PDT by cgk (Leftist spin: Baghdad Fell? Clinton's Army! Saddam Nabbed? Clinton's Army! Naked Iraqis? Bush's Army)
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To: CyberAnt

I didn't state it as fact. I was pointing out that these lefties will do ANYTHING to defeat America. When you think killing babies is perfectly ok, your heart becomes a stone. You probably can't fathom such a thing. But it is a fact of human psyche. How did German's lead millions of human beings to ovens. Harden the heart and anything is possible.


1,136 posted on 05/14/2004 4:57:47 AM PDT by marty60
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To: IrishRainy
The family spokesman said they were anxious to get the body back so they can move on. This phrase has been used several times by this same neighbor.

There is something very disturbing going on with these people. Wonder if they were part of an america hating cult in that neighborhood.

1,137 posted on 05/14/2004 5:07:09 AM PDT by OldFriend (LOSERS quit when they are tired/WINNERS quit when they have won)
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To: The KG9 Kid
"The CIA sent a lily white Jewish kid into darkest Muslim Iraq to go 'deep cover' into al-Queda's underground?"

Does he speak their language? Somewhere I heard he had an uncle living in Iraq, which also intrigues.
1,138 posted on 05/14/2004 5:23:14 AM PDT by keats5
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To: PhiKapMom

In one of the articles I read, one of his friends specifically stated that he didn't have a girlfriend. I think it was in the article about him becoming more religious but I am not sure.


1,139 posted on 05/14/2004 5:30:27 AM PDT by PleaseNoMore (Islam - The Religion of the AntiChrist -)
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To: Peach
Actually...that's three...

But I agree with you.

1,140 posted on 05/14/2004 5:47:20 AM PDT by carton253 (Re: The War on Terror. It's time to draw our swords and throw away the scabbards.)
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