TORTURE SCANDAL FINGERPRINTS

The Washington Times ^ | 05/12/04 | Donald Devine

[Crusher138]

Thanks to Rep. Heather Wilson, New Mexico Republican and a former military officer, we now know the sequence of events that led to the American military police abuse and torture of Iraqi prisoners in the Abu Ghraib prison. A military investigation in late summer 2003 of the 800th Military Police Brigade under Brig. Gen. Janis Karpinski by Maj. Gen. Geoffrey D. Miller found a breakdown in discipline at the prison. When told that her troops were not even saluting, the general refused to order them to begin doing so.

[steve8714]

Don't forget, every decision by personnel has to be vetted by a JAG-off..icer nowadays.
The Army has more lawyers than doctors.

[TSgt]

When did this become a "scandal?"

Bush never tried to hide it and neither did Rumsfield.

And who was tourtured?

[syriacus]

BTW, is Brig. Gen. Janis Karpinski a lesbian as well?

She is married.

http://www.lowcountrynow.com/stories/050504/LOCkarpinski.shtml

But Karpinski was not at home. Nor was her husband, George, a lieutenant colonel at the U.S. Embassy in Oman.

[Crusher138]

BTW, is Brig. Gen. Janis Karpinski a lesbian as well?

This from the St. Pete Times:

She has no children, but her husband of 29 years, a lieutenant colonel, works with the U.S. Embassy in the small Arab nation of Oman.

Her picture scares me. Maybe her husband is a "beard?" No children. Maybe...

[Quilla]

I can do without Disneyland. ;-)

[Crusher138]

Hey, the title is the the title. Take it up with the author!

Personally, I think that "scandal" is only in the fevered wishes of the DemocRATS and - in this case - torture is only in the eyes of certain beholders.

[LiteKeeper]

read later

[T'wit]

Don Devine is an old hand in the conservative moment. I think he raises points worth thinking about.

[jwalburg]

I'd never know the difference.

[af_vet_rr]

Seems the cause may be political correctness in the military. More Clinton legacy.

That's just not....surprising.

Sounds like she probably got her star under Clinton. My question is, why was Central Command afraid of her? Afraid is not the right word, but I can't come up with another.

If they had went upto the Joint Chiefs and said "look, this General has let her command degenerate into something out of Stripes, we need to replace them with somebody else" rather than turn command over to others (which is where part of the confusion comes in over why there was such a lack of oversight), it probably would have been alright, and we would not have had this cluster-somethingrather that we have now.

I can't see the this Joint Chiefs/administration being scared of her. They are going to run this as smooth as possible, and use the best possible people. I just can't believe they'd be worried about the fact that she was one of the highest ranking females.

Instead they took a loosely-disciplined group of people, and put them in a gray-zone where they could try out whatever little deviant games they felt like.

[lilylangtree]

Don't care one stinking bit about what happened to Abu Ghraib except that the new policy should be implemented that for every coalition member that's killed 10 of these prisoners will die by slow electrocution or by chainsaw cutting each appendage at a time.

[Grampa Dave]

When did the Jag Off population increase>

Answer during the Clintoon reign of anti American Terrorism.

The left wing, perfumed, pink panty wearing liberal Jag Offs are a clear and present danger to members of our military who want to do their jobs correctly.

[Bonaparte]

Yes, she's married. It may or may not be a marriage of convenience between two homosexuals. We don't know and because of "don't ask/don't tell," we probably never will.

[OldCorps]

finally some refreshing truth. However, the feminists did not just take over during the Clinton administration. they have been a force to reckon with inside the DoD for some time. The DACOWITZ crowd has always been ramming their militant lesbian/feminism down the throats of the military, and the uniform services (excepting the honorable USMC) go along to get along. Its all about careers...until the s... hits the fan, like this prison scandal.

However, this is all symtomatic of the larger problem our military faces. As our society grows more gender neutral, those men who are naturally inclined to military service, conservative, traditional, honorable men, will opt out of serving because they don't want to be a victim of the gender wars within DoD. What infantry soldier wants to attack a nest of tough fighting, committed moslem fanatics when his female boss (future projection) has no idea of the suffering or misery of combat. I predict that the more women become esconced in the military the more men will not want to serve and fight for and with them.

Regards,

[twigs]

I think a lot of women here would agree with you. To me, it's never been an issue of women's capability. They're capable. Period. But it's a social decision. Women do not belong on the battlefield for any number of reasons. I don't feel I have to go to that extent to prove my femine capability. Too many policy making women do, however. They're insecurities and/or agendas are costing American lives.

[Redbob]

"...severe cultural humiliation..."

Ah, the very best kind!
Shall we resume?

[3catsanadog]

I wonder what the feminazis think about this female general helping to cause the problems in the prison. Haven't heard word one, so I guess they are still tweaking things so that the feminist movement will not be at fault, in any way, shape or form.

I love it when liberal causes butt heads.

[dead]

The last item is expendable.

[3catsanadog]

I heard the tail end of Rush the other day where one caller suggested the possibility of the gays being in the military and maybe if it was looked at, perhaps some of the ones involved were of the "Don't ask, don't tell" variety. As Rush said, much of the humiliation was homo-erotica.

Needless to say, no matter how often we point out that PC contributed to this, the liberals will try to get the upper hand by saysing we shouldn't have been in Iraq in the first place, yada, yada, yada.

[woofie]

LOL...I will tell my wife