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G.W. Bush, John Kerry and Dick Cheney - Vietnam Timeline
various | 5-11-04 | FairWitness (vanity)

Posted on 05/11/2004 2:42:11 PM PDT by FairWitness

The subject of President Bush's National Guard service and how it compares to John Kerry's service record in Vietnam is relatively quiet right now, though there were a couple of relevant threads as recently as a week ago: Bush's flights of fantasy fail to crack Kerry's rep [Guard Service = Draft Dodger!] and Gaps remain in Bush Guard Service (Barf Alert! CBS tries to help Kerry) .
However, I think it would be too good to be true to think we have heard the last of this subject. This "vanity" is something I put together for my own benefit to help visualize where G. W. Bush, John Kerry and Dick Cheney were in their lives during, and immediately after, the Vietnam years. It is intended to be "just the facts" rather than argumentative. The most basic point is that Dick Cheney is almost 3 years (> 34 months) older than John Kerry, who in turn is almost 31 months older than President Bush. Cheney was almost 26 by the time Kerry started active duty and Kerry was already discharged from active duty and starting his war protest phase by the time Bush "got his wings". This doesn't mean that Cheney and Bush could not have been "in-country" if that had been their choice, but I think that age must have had some influence on their choices (I am almost the same age as Cheney, with a similar education history and I know it influenced my choices - not proud of it, just the facts). I definitely believe that "strapping on an F102" as Bush did was not an easy or cowardly way out of service.

Timelines/Milestones for G.W. Bush, John Kerry & Dick Cheney
Year George W. Bush John Kerry Dick Cheney Vietnam War Draft/Inductees
1941 / / Born 1/30/41 / 923,842
1942 / / / / 3,033,361
1943 / Born 12/11/43 / / 3,323,970
1944 / / / / 1,591,942
1945 / / / / 945,862
1946 Born 7/6/46 / / / 183,383
1959 / / Turns 18,
1/30/59;
graduates H.S.;
enters Yale
/ 96,153
1960 / / Leaves Yale;
continues college
in Wyoming
/ 86,602
1961 / Turns 18
12/11/61
college U.S. Military
advisors sent
118,586
1962 / Graduates H.S.;
(St. Pauls)
enters Yale
college Strategic Hamlets
program
112,386
1963 / college college 11/22/63 JFK
assassinated,
Johnson becomes
president
119,265
1964 Turns 18,
7/6/64;
Graduates H.S.,
Phillips Acad.;
enters Yale
/ college;
Marries Lynne
8/29/64
Tonkin Gulf
resolution
8/7/64
112,386
1965 college college B.A., U. Wyoming First U.S. Troops
in-country,
200,000 by Yr.-end
230,991
1966 college B.S. Yale;
Joins Navy,
2/18; active
duty, 10/19/66
First child, 7/28/66
Masters degree,
U. WY
400,000 troops
in-country
382,010
1967 college 12/67, Begins
5-month duty
tour, USS
Gridley
Turns 26 - 1/30/67 -
beyond draft age
500,000 troops
U.S./N. Viet
talks start
228,263
1968 B.S. Yale;
enlists Texas Air
Guard, 5/28/68
11/78/68 -
begins ~4-month
duty tour
Swift boats
U.Wis., Madison
Ph.D. program
"Congressional Fellow"
Tet offensive
1/30/68
540,000 troops
296,406
1969 Graduates from
flight school,
11/69, after 53
weeks training
transferred to
non-combat
duty in U.S.,
4/69
Joins Nixon
administration;
holds various
positions
Richard Nixon
becomes
President, 1/69
"Vietnamization"
begins;
draft "lottery"
480,000 troops
283,586
1970 Certified F102
pilot after 6-mo.
training (3/70);
Discharged (1/70)
from active
duty to run
for Congress;
joins VVAW;
marries Julia
(1st wife)
5/23
Assistant Director
OEO
Kent State
280,000 troops
162,746
1971 Frequent Guard
drills/alerts
Organizes
anti-war
protests, throws
"decorations"
over W.H. fence;
testifies to
Congress re:
"atrocities";
quits VVAW, 11/71
White House staff
assistant,
assistant director,
Cost of Living
Council
140,000 troops
@ end-of-yr
94,092
1972 Frequent
drills/alerts till
4/72
Runs for Congress
(MA 5th) but loses
government "Secret"
negotiations
with N.Viet.
49,514
1973 Completes
minimum duty
requirements -
7/30/73 last day
in uniform;
Discharged
10/73 - 8 mo.
early
Enters Harvard
9/73
Enters Boston
College Law
School;
First child
born
Private sector,
V.P of Bradley,
Woods & co.
1/73 - Agreement
reached between
U.S. & N.Vietnam
3/73 - Last U.S.
troops leave.
Congress cuts off
aid to South
646
Last inductee
enters army on
6/30/73
1974 / / Joins Ford
administration
Fighting continues between
North & South.
Nixon resigns;
Ford becomes
President
0
1975 M.B.A., Harvard / Ford's White
House Chief of
Staff
Saigon captured,
S.Viet falls, 4/75
0
1976 / Graduates
from law
school
/ / 0
1977 Marries Laura
11/77
/ Elected to
U.S. Congress,
Wyoming
/ 0

George W. Bush - from Wikipedia
John Kerry - from Wikipedia
Cheney, Richard Bruce, 1941 -
Selective Service System - Induction Statistics
The Vietnam Wars: 1945 - 1972
Chasing George W. Bush and the F102
Vice President Richard Bruce Cheney
Bush and I were Lieutenants - Letter from Col. William Campenni (retired)
Chronology of U.S -Vietnam Relations
Brothers in Arms?



TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cheney; georgewbush; kerry; militaryrecord; nationalguard; vietnam
Hope this may be helpful to at least some others in understanding all the timing involved.
1 posted on 05/11/2004 2:42:12 PM PDT by FairWitness
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To: FairWitness
Thanks.
2 posted on 05/11/2004 2:47:17 PM PDT by EternalHope (Boycott everything French forever. Including their vassal nations.)
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To: FairWitness
Excellent... thanks...
3 posted on 05/11/2004 2:54:24 PM PDT by Zeppo
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To: FairWitness
LBJ made his surprise announcement that he would not run for another term on March 31, 1968. The peace talks started after that (May 10, 1968, according to the "Chronology" link), not in 1967.
4 posted on 05/11/2004 2:55:59 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: FairWitness
Keep in mind that ANG units were deployed around the world so regular AF pilots could fight in the Nam. My regular AF unit relieved the Reno, Nevada, ANG's at Suwon, Korea in 1969 after they were sent there to beef up our presence in Korea during the EC-121 and Pueblo incidents...the North was feeling frisky since most of our attention was focused elsewhere. The point being that GWB's unit was subject to deployment and could have been called up at any time in their ancient F-102's (which I spent many hours guarding). The F-102's were pulled from serevice shortly thereafter rendering GWB's training useless. Even if he'd wanted to go to Nam (never met anyone who did) he'd have had to be retrained on another aircraft at a time when they were letting pilots go in droves. This arguement against him is bogus once you realize all of the parameters involved.
5 posted on 05/11/2004 3:10:45 PM PDT by vigilence
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To: Verginius Rufus
The peace talks started after that (May 10, 1968, according to the "Chronology" link), not in 1967.

Thanks for catching that. I'm not sure what I was reading when I made that entry under 1967, but I sort of remember something about "secret talks", so maybe I put down something different than the official version and then forgot to double-check.

6 posted on 05/11/2004 3:18:08 PM PDT by FairWitness
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To: FairWitness
I've also heard it said that Kerry joined the Navy -Reserves-, not the active Navy. If that is true, I think that bears specific mention. If the Guard is considered draft evasion (which I don't), then the Reserves should be also.

Qwinn
7 posted on 05/11/2004 3:21:36 PM PDT by Qwinn
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To: vigilence
Keep in mind that ANG units were deployed around the world so regular AF pilots could fight in the Nam. My regular AF unit relieved the Reno, Nevada, ANG's at Suwon, Korea in 1969 after they were sent there to beef up our presence in Korea during the EC-121 and Pueblo incidents... < snip>. This arguement against him is bogus once you realize all of the parameters involved.

Thanks for the info, and thanks for your service to our country. I hoped to learn from replies to this posting, and your reply has been most illuminating.

8 posted on 05/11/2004 3:22:38 PM PDT by FairWitness
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To: Qwinn
I've also heard it said that Kerry joined the Navy -Reserves-, not the active Navy. If that is true, I think that bears specific mention. If the Guard is considered draft evasion (which I don't), then the Reserves should be also.

There seem to be a number of article around the confusion of "reserves", "active reserves" and "inactive reserves". I didn't bookmark most of them, but here is one example: Airbrushing John Kerry's Military Service

9 posted on 05/11/2004 3:28:14 PM PDT by FairWitness
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To: FairWitness
read later
10 posted on 05/11/2004 3:35:40 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: lepton
bookmark bump
11 posted on 05/11/2004 3:43:53 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: FairWitness
Great post... and great link. Thanks.

12 posted on 05/12/2004 11:52:19 PM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: calcowgirl

Thanks a billion :-)


13 posted on 05/13/2004 8:56:38 PM PDT by FairWitness
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