LIVE DISCUSSION THREAD..Gen Taguba testifying before Senate committee..C-span 1 and Fox

[ken5050]

Comments...and your opinion..Which Dem wull say the dumbest thing today?

[ken5050]

FYI, whenever the House or Senate is in session, C-span 1 & 2 MUST show the proceedings...thoug, I admit, Steny HOyer was an big improvement over Dayton..

[Guenevere]

Did anyone here stay connected long enough to hear the Undersecretary ...(when asked if he had a closing statement)...

..say 'Yes, I usually end a session such as this by commenting It has been a pleasure...

..but with tears in his eyes & voice, he said forthrightly, ...This has not been a pleasure, but a duty & an effort to set the record straight..

.. I was very impressed with his honesty!....and concluded--(IMO) he was not impressed with some of these senators and their comments or antics

[cake_crumb]

Thanks!

[kcvl]

Congress Ignored Reports of Prisoner Abuse (16 Dems - 1 Republican were notified)
NewsMax.com ^ | 5/11/04 | Phil Brennan


Posted on 05/11/2004 9:39:49 AM PDT by kattracks



Democrats howling for the resignation of Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld for not informing them of reports of prisoner abuse in Baghdad are ignoring the fact that concerned parents of an accused soldier informed 16 members of Congress - top Democrats such as Senators Hillary Clinton, Edward Kennedy and John D. Rockefeller - and the governor of West Virginia of the burgeoing scandal as far back as February 26th of this year. None of these 17 people acted to disclose the detailed information contained in the letters.
While the media has created a firestorm about the abuse allegations at Abu Ghraib prison, only one TV network, MSNBC, disclosed the names of the 16 members of Congress when one of the letter writers, William Lawson, mentioned them during a telephone interview.

No further mention of the names was made by MSNBC.

Otherwise, the mainstream media has circled the wagons in a blatant attempt to protect their Democratic allies in the Senate from charges of hypocrisy in condemning Secretary Rumsfeld for not informing them of what they already knew, through both Army press releases and the 17 letters.

Lawson, the uncle of one of the accused soldiers, Staff Sgt. Ivan L. Frederick, gave NewsMax.com the names of the 16 members of Congress and West Virginia's governor as well as the text of the explosive letters in a series of faxes.

Here are the the 17 names, all Democrats except for Rep. Roscoe Bartlett, Sgt. Frederick's congressman:

Senators Jack Reed, Mark Dayton, Robert Byrd, Bill Nelson, Evan Bayh, Mark Pryor, Edward Kennedy, Benjamin Nelson, Hillary Clinton, Joseph Lieberman, Daniel Akaka, Paul Sarbanes, John D. Rockefeller, Governor Mark Warner and Rep. Roscoe Bartlett.

Senator Byrd's office would not even accept the letter e-mailed to him on the grounds it was too long.

Bartlett said he was looking into the matter.

Sarbanes said he had written the the "appropriate officials."

Rockefeller begged off on the grounds that he was barred by privacy rules.

Senator Joe Lieberman is the only one of these members of Congress who has defended Donald Rumsfeld and the world's mission in Iraq.

In fact, Senators Reed and Dayton were nearly abusive in holding the feet of Sec. Rumsfeld, Gen. Myers et alii to the fire last week - and here we find that they knew of the abuse allegations months ago.

They could only have been feigning outrage, since they have been long aware of what was going on at Abu Ghraib; the e-mail letters fully alerted the 16 Democrats and Governor Warner of the prisoner abuse accusations.

Moreover the U.S. Central Command told the media of an investigation into abuses on Jan. 16, just days after a report by a whistleblower.

"They told everyone in the world there were allegations of abuse and they were being investigated," Secretary Rumsfeld told reporters. On March 20, he added, Central Command "announced not only allegations, but they listed the types of abuses."

Lawson, a 23-year Army veteran, and other relatives of Sgt. Frederick, told the 17 they feared that he and the other accused MPs were being made scapegoats "to save some general's carrer."

[philman_36]

"When I looked at those PRICK, ummm, Pictures, etc. LOL
Ah, good. Somebody else did hear it as I did.

[TomGuy]

Dems didn't flock to microphones.


hmmmmmm

[Dolphy]

Your evidence and my evidence don't have to be the same, do they?

You made me smile with that. No, our evidence doesn't have to be the same, but I just don't think it contributes to the discussion. She was a failure regardless, not because of her orientations.

[Tommyjo]

"Got it confirmed that our soldiers aren't issued AK-47's which puts to bed one of the pictures."

A U.S. Army soldier holds a Kalashnikov rifle in Baqouba, Iraq, on Tuesday, Aug. 19, 2003. Many U.S. soldiers are carrying Kalashnikovs they have confiscated from Iraqis.

[Semper Paratus]

"When I looked at those PRICK, ummm, Pictures, etc

I pity the staffer who took the wrong pictures to the hearing.

[Howlin]

See 964.

[maica]

Excellent news re Cornyn and Spector. I will remember where I heard it first!!!

[ken5050]

and if I'm wrong, kindly FORGET where you heard it..LOL..though I do think I'm right..it's the only explanation that fits..

[Pukin Dog]

I have to think about your question. You are probably right about that. During events like these, my mind goes back to Tailhook91, and the way we were railroaded by Congress, which led to the influx of hundreds of Karpinski-types into the senior ranks. Most of which were also of the orientation I alluded to. Maybe my bias is showing? Could be.

[philman_36]

I pity the staffer who took the wrong pictures to the hearing.
It isn't the staffer's fault that "SHE" got tongue tied and slipped.

[CatoRenasci]

There is also the (twice awarded: Washington and Pershing) six stars = General of the Armies

[Miss Marple]

You are correct. I heard it as well.

[kcvl]

What is wrong with Lawrence Korb on Fox News now? Is he anti-American also? He hasn't said anything good about this hearing or the military yet.

[maica]

.. I was very impressed with his honesty!....and concluded--(IMO) he was not impressed with some of these senators and their comments or antics
^^^^^


Yes, I saw his closing remarks - he was very emotional, but managed to keep his composure, although he was really on the edge.

This whole circus is harmful to our mission and our forces in Iraq.

[SAMWolf]

It seems all the outrage is on the Democrat side becasue they're not getting the milage out of this they had hoped to stir up.

[DocRock]

Did anybody else hear Hillary! in her little Freudian slip?
Something about prick...pictures...

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I have the hearings on in my shop and not only did I hear it, but my employees heard it, too! We were all eating lunch and almost choked we were laughing so hard!