LIVE THREAD: Rumsfeld Testifies Regarding Treatment of Iraqi Prisoners

I dont want to admit it but Heather is from New Mexico

2,961 posted on 05/07/2004 1:59:18 PM PDT by woofie ( 99% of lawyers give the rest a bad name.)

To: faithincowboys

What? I see more emotion on FR threads, much of it coming from you, frankly.

2,962 posted on 05/07/2004 1:59:42 PM PDT by Peach

Well, my bet is that his dim constitutents wanted him to ask (Rat talking point)

2,963 posted on 05/07/2004 2:00:04 PM PDT by Maigrey (Member of the War Babies' Live Thread Free Republic reporting service)

To: Just mythoughts; All

Big deal--she compared this to MY Lai. I am so sick of this. She is no friend of the military. Another lady who shouldn't have ever been allowed in the army. Raising the specter of Vietnam is just so unhelpful. This is really tragic and disgraceful.

2,964 posted on 05/07/2004 2:00:04 PM PDT by faithincowboys

Still holding.....4:59. Hope they don't shut down at 5:00!
Must admit..its good cool down time. lol

2,965 posted on 05/07/2004 2:00:05 PM PDT by BriarBey

Big deal...this idiot is from Arkansas - Vic Snider. lol!

2,966 posted on 05/07/2004 2:00:09 PM PDT by kcvl

"Pregnant by one of the other involved soldiers."

Yeah, when all else fails in your defense...get pregnant.

2,967 posted on 05/07/2004 2:00:12 PM PDT by mass55th

Oh God.
And men are always accused of not keeping
their urges under control.
Hussy.

2,968 posted on 05/07/2004 2:00:33 PM PDT by onyx (Kerry' s a Veteran, but so were Lee Harvey Oswald, Timothy McVeigh and Benedict Arnold)

To: wirestripper

Lynndie England's sister is being quoted on Baltimore news - she is apparently at Ft Bragg, washing walls, 'because they do not know what to do with her.' She is 5 months pregnant.

2,969 posted on 05/07/2004 2:00:48 PM PDT by maica (Member of Republican Attack Machine, RAM, previously known as the VRWC)

Yeah, she is upset that the little soldier LYnndie is in trouble. The short haired tomboys want to protect eachother.

2,970 posted on 05/07/2004 2:01:10 PM PDT by faithincowboys

Keep holding.
I am now holding for the little NM wretch.

2,971 posted on 05/07/2004 2:01:13 PM PDT by onyx (Kerry' s a Veteran, but so were Lee Harvey Oswald, Timothy McVeigh and Benedict Arnold)

Lynndie is pregnant???

2,972 posted on 05/07/2004 2:01:32 PM PDT by faithincowboys

2,973 posted on 05/07/2004 2:01:54 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (Ted Rall is a waste of perfectly good oxygen.)

Whay can't people just own up to their mistakes? You don't need to be taught about the GC to know that sexual abuse is wrong.

It's not my fault, I was just doing what they told me. I don't think so.

2,974 posted on 05/07/2004 2:02:26 PM PDT by highlandbreeze (....that others may live.)

800th Military Police Brigade

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/agency/army/800mp-bde.htm

Organized on May 31, 1942 as the 800th Military Police Battalion it was quickly activated to support combat operations during World War II. The 800th saw action in two campaigns: New Guinea and Luzon. On April 16, 1986, the unit was re-designated as the Headquarters and Headquarters Company, 800th Military Police Brigade (EPW).

A Brigadier General commands the 800th Military Police Brigade. The Brigade is comprised of approximately 1,700 soldiers spread over a two-state region. Subordinate elements are comprised of 25 units. Three of these units are subordinate peacetime battalions, one being military intelligence and two being military police. All three are located in New York. Six of these units are designated as Force Support Package (FSP). Additionally, the Brigade is comprised of four military intelligence detachments, a criminal investigation's detachment and three chemical companies. The specially trained military police and military intelligence units are designed to support the enemy prisoner of war mission that the Brigade assumed in April of 1986. When called into action, the Brigade is responsible for the command and control of Enemy Prisoner of War (EPW) Headquarters; and provides guidance, plans and procedures for EPW operations and doctrine for 14 wartrace battalions and subordinate units composed of over 4000 personnel.

On December 6, 1990, the Headquarters and Headquarters Company of the Brigade were activated in support of Operation Desert Storm. The Brigade Headquarters assumed the mission of command and control of allied enemy prisoner of war operations in the theatre of operations from December 1990 to June 1991. While in Saudi Arabia, the Brigade's assigned strength was over 7,300 personnel from 68 subordinate units. The 800th Military Police Brigade was responsible for the command, control and accounting of over 70,000 Iraqi allied enemy prisoners of war.

The 800th Military Police Brigade is a major subordinate command of the 77th Regional Support Command, headquartered at Ft. Totten, New York, Jr.

The unit's patch is distinctive. It is shaped like an ax-head with a sword encased in an oak leaf. The ax-head denotes authority and security; the sword stands for duty, military strength and law enforcement; and the oak leaf symbolizes the oak trees at Fort Ord, California, where the unit was first activated.

Units

HHC, 800th Military Police Brigade
Uniondale, NY
306th Military Police Battalion
Uniondale, NY
310th Military Police Battalion
Uniondale, NY
340th Military Police Company
Jamaica, NY
348th Military Police Detachment
Fort Dix, NJ
423rd Military Police Company
Uniondale, NY
812th Military Police Company
Orangeburg, NY
311th Military Intelegence Company
Staten Island, NY
3406th Military Intel Detachment
Bronx, NY
3413th Military Intel Detachment
Bronx, NY
3418th Military Intel Detachment
Bronx, NY
3424th Military Intel Detachment
Mattydale, NY
1302nd PSD
Orangeburg, NY

Official Homepage
http://www.usarc.army.mil/77thrsc/copy_of_77thweb/msc/800mp/800_mp_brigade.htm

2,975 posted on 05/07/2004 2:02:31 PM PDT by DeBug=int13

To: AmericanInTokyo; Right_in_Virginia; MeekOneGOP; StriperSniper

After the Accident: Profile in Cowardice

April 10, 1998

On June 18, 1969 Senator Ted Kennedy left a party being held on a tiny Massachusetts island called Chappaquiddick. He generously offered to give a secretary named Mary Jo Kopechne, who was a little tipsy, a ride home.

Ted was always an erratic driver, but this wrong turn was extreme even for him. Instead of the ferry, he headed in the exact opposite direction - toward the beach.

About a half-mile down the road rose an old wooden bridge bending off slightly to the left. Ted didn't see the bend. The Oldsmobile plunged into the eight-foot-deep tidepool below. Somehow Ted escaped but Mary Jo was trapped.

So what did Ted Kennedy do? Unfortunately, nothing.

He didn't call police until 10 hours later - by that time Mary Jo was long dead.

When the found Mary Jo, her face was pressed against the floor of the upside down vehicle, as if she'd been breathing from a small air pocket, hoping desperately for the rescue that never came.

The subsequent scandal destroyed Ted Kennedy's hopes of following in his brother's presidential footsteps.

Teddy, wearing his controversial neck brace, at the funeral Mass for Mary Jo Kopechne.

2,976 posted on 05/07/2004 2:02:52 PM PDT by Major_Risktaker (Oderint dum metuant)

To: wirestripper

It is worth bearing in mind that you can get court-martialed for such thing as alcohol abuse, fighting in a bar, being chronically late for work, etc., in the miliary. Most of the courts martial I was involved with were for such things. That 3000 number is pretty reasonable: represents less than 0.1% of military members being involved in such proceedings.

2,977 posted on 05/07/2004 2:03:24 PM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))

I hate to accuse her of this ...but she may be covering Kapinski's kabooty.

Good point. Though originally I just chalked it up to that since she is former military, perhaps she's taking this very personally. Ya know, the way we sometimes are tougher on our own family members than on strangers.

But goodness, that My Lai comparison was ridiculous(though if the GOP'er's keep flaming the hysteria to show how 'independent' they are...)

2,978 posted on 05/07/2004 2:03:37 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat

>>Brig. Gen. Janis Karpinski, a Rahway native...

Ahh, Rahway (pronounced RAW-way)...if you drive up old Route 1 N, that's where you hit the car door locks.

2,979 posted on 05/07/2004 2:03:42 PM PDT by Graymatter

To: highlandbreeze

Press Release Source: Newsweek

NEWSWEEK EXCLUSIVE: Karpinski Says She Had Warned Her Superiors About the Treatment of Iraqi Prisoners at Abu Ghurayb Detention Facility; 'They Just Wanted it to Go Away,' She Says

Sunday May 2, 1:22 pm ET

'The Stupidest Thing the Army Could Have Done is Charge These Reservists...Any Defense Lawyer is Going to Push to Find Out Who Was Really Calling the Shots at Abu Ghurayb,' Says Defendant's Lawyer

NEW YORK, May 2 /PRNewswire/ -- Brig. Gen. Janis Karpinski, the commander of the Army Reserve's 800th Military Police Brigade who oversaw guards at U.S. detention facilities in Iraq, including those at Saddam Hussein's former torture center at Abu Ghurayb, tells Newsweek she warned her superiors from the first about the ill-treatment of Iraqi prisoners. The trouble was, Karpinski says, she didn't have enough troops or resources to do the job right, and the men at the top ignored her complaints. "They just wanted it to go away," she says.

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040502/nysu015_1.html

2,980 posted on 05/07/2004 2:04:01 PM PDT by kcvl

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