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Former CIA Official: U.S. May Fall Like USSR
News Max ^ | May. 5, 2004 | Phil Brennan

Posted on 05/05/2004 3:50:32 PM PDT by yonif

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To: yonif
If you don’t have a big enough tax base you simply cannot generate the wealth to take care of the older people.

Something just seems a bit wrong here...

101 posted on 05/05/2004 5:38:41 PM PDT by Eala (Sacrificing tagline fame for... TRAD ANGLICAN RESOURCE PAGE: http://eala.freeservers.com/anglican)
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To: ken5050
Hopefully that would be the case. Unfortunately, the Islamists see the United States as the "main" Satan. God help us all if they strike again. Also, there are many Islam radical organizations besides al Queda around the World, and they seem to be growing exponentialy. Read my tagline.
102 posted on 05/05/2004 5:42:30 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (Moderate Islam is the Trojan horse; Radical Islam is the carriage)
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To: coloradan
well, I disagree with you.

1. Practically everybody in this country are immigrants or descendents of immigrants. They used to say that Italians, Irish, etc. won't assimilate. Well, they were wrong. The new immigrants (legal, that is) and their descendents will assimilate and make this country a better and richer country.

2. There will always be lousy teachers with their own agenda. However, the majority of teachers are good teachers.

3. Of course, you are taking my words out of context. WTC bombing did not bring down America. I am more worried about us destroying ourselves than some uneducated Islamic radicals.
103 posted on 05/05/2004 5:42:38 PM PDT by Fishing-guy (AL)
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To: yonif
"If there are any signs which show this type of backlash, the US government will not allow it."

You missed or don't agree with this part of my post: "...however small, surgical, and clandestine it might be."

I can only pray it never comes to the above.

104 posted on 05/05/2004 5:48:03 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (Moderate Islam is the Trojan horse; Radical Islam is the carriage)
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To: AntiGuv
I was referring to the foreign infiltration that Rome allowed to assist its downfall.
105 posted on 05/05/2004 5:51:13 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (Moderate Islam is the Trojan horse; Radical Islam is the carriage)
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To: A Navy Vet
Oops I missed it. I agree with you and that it probably will occur.
106 posted on 05/05/2004 5:51:29 PM PDT by yonif ("So perish all Thine enemies, O the Lord" - Judges 5:31)
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To: yonif
For some unknown reason some Americans want to prophesy doom for this nation instead of showing the resolve necessary beat back our detractors with a holy and righteous attack. Americans are winners in everything we do and make no apologies for our actions. Fight to win at all costs and never retreat into defeat and always be true unto thyself!
107 posted on 05/05/2004 6:00:34 PM PDT by winker
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To: A Navy Vet
Thanks - no rocket science here, either. I'm a modest student of history and I lean towards the tragic view of human nature. Civilization is a very, very thin veneer over a pack of savage tendencies that humanity never left behind when we emerged from the plains and forests to form the first agrarian societies.

Our ability - and our willingness - to rein in those dark impulses is our hope, our glory and our salvation. The good guys don't always win, but we never go away.
108 posted on 05/05/2004 6:00:42 PM PDT by Noumenon (There's nothing wrong with the Left that can't be cured with a rope, a knife or a .45)
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To: Rutles4Ever
"when the awful day comes"--we have short memories. It wasn't too long ago that the nations capitol was held hostage by two low-life gunmen for weeks. What would things be like with 200 gunmen in every major city, attacks on our electric grid, water, gas supplies, we cold be crippled almost overnight. How would our leaders react--no one knows.It's a scary scenario.Yet our borders remain wide open and we could care less how many bad guys keep coming in.
109 posted on 05/05/2004 6:00:56 PM PDT by rodguy911 (let's get the truth out about "ketchup" boy)
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To: yonif; B4Ranch; dennisw; SJackson; Salem; Sanch

"Radical Islam Wants Us Gone."

Onward Muslime soldiers - ping.

110 posted on 05/05/2004 6:02:25 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (U.S.A. - - United We Stand - - Divided We Fall - - Support Our Troops - - Vote BUSH)
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To: Teetimer
What they're saying about "Onward Muslim Soldiers" - An expose of militant Islam.

The FREEPERS Guide To Islamic Terror Websites - CYBERTERRORISM (And It's Sponsors)

We Must NEVER Forget!

It’s O.K. Akhmed – Christians Are Infidels, and Infidels Are Just Dogs
Jihad in Houston, in California, in Miami, in Detroit, In .. ..

PBS Shame On You: A former Muslim speaks.

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WND Exclusive
FROM JOSEPH FARAH'S G2 BULLETIN
Radical Islam's 'plan'
to take over America

Arab-American author outlines secret
20-year strategy to undermine country


Posted: August 4, 2003
1:00 a.m. Eastern

Editor's note: Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin is an online, subscription intelligence news service from the creator of WorldNetDaily.com – a journalist who has been developing sources around the world for the last 25 years.


© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

A refugee from the Muslim Middle East thinks he has discovered Islam's 20-point plan for conquering the United States by 2020 – a plan revealed in the latest issue of Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin.

Anis Shorrosh, author of ''Islam Revealed'' and ''The True Furqan,'' is a Christian Arab-American who emigrated from Arab-controlled Jerusalem in January 1967.

''The following is my analysis of Islamic invasion of America, the agenda of Islamists and visible methods to take over America by the year 2020,'' Shorrosh says. ''Will Americans continue to sleep through this invasion as they did when we were attacked on 9/11?''

1. Terminate America's freedom of speech by replacing it with statewide and nationwide hate-crime bills.

2. Wage a war of words using black leaders like Louis Farrakhan, Rev. Jesse Jackson and other visible religious personalities who promote Islam as the religion of African-Americans while insisting Christianity is for whites only. What they fail to tell African-Americans is that it was Arab Muslims who captured them and sold them as slaves. In fact, the Arabic word for black and slave is the same, ''Abed.''

3. Engage the American public in dialogues, discussions, debates in colleges, universities, public libraries, radio, TV, churches and mosques on the virtues of Islam. Proclaim how it is historically another religion like Judaism and Christianity with the same monotheistic faith.

4. Nominate Muslim sympathizers to political office to bring about favorable legislation toward Islam and support potential sympathizers by block voting.

5. Take control of as much of Hollywood, the press, TV, radio and the Internet as possible by buying the related corporations or a controlling stock.

6. Yield to the fear of the imminent shut-off of the lifeblood of America – black gold. America’s economy depends on oil and 41 percent of it comes from the Middle East.

7. Yell ''foul, out-of-context, personal interpretation, hate crime, Zionist, un- American, inaccurate interpretation of the Quran'' anytime Islam is criticized or the Quran is analyzed in the public arena.

8. Encourage Muslims to penetrate the White House, specifically with Islamists who can articulate a marvelous and peaceful picture of Islam. Acquire government positions and get membership in local school boards. Train Muslims as medical doctors to dominate the medical field, research and pharmaceutical companies. (Ever notice how numerous Muslim doctors in America are, when their countries need them more desperately than America?) Take over the computer industry. Establish Middle Eastern restaurants throughout the U.S. to connect planners of Islamization in a discreet way.

9. Accelerate Islamic demographic growth via:

10. Reading, writing, arithmetic and research through the American educational system, mosques and student centers (now 1,500) should be sprinkled with dislike of Jews, evangelical Christians and democracy. There are currently 300 exclusively Muslim schools in the U.S. which teach loyalty to the Quran, not the U.S. Constitution. In January of 2002, Saudi Arabia’s Embassy in Washington mailed 4,500 packets of the Quran and videos promoting Islam to America's high schools – free of charge. Saudi Arabia would not allow the U.S. to reciprocate.

11. Provide very sizeable monetary Muslim grants to colleges and universities in America to establish ''Centers for Islamic studies'' with Muslim directors to promote Islam in higher-education institutions.

12. Let the entire world know through propaganda, speeches, seminars, local and national media that terrorists have hijacked Islam, when in truth, Islam hijacked the terrorists.

13. Appeal to the historically compassionate and sensitive Americans for sympathy and tolerance towards Muslims in America who are portrayed as mainly immigrants from oppressed countries.

14. Nullify America's sense of security by manipulating the intelligence community with misinformation. Periodically terrorize Americans with reports of impending attacks on bridges, tunnels, water supplies, airports, apartment buildings and malls.

15. Form riots and demonstrations in the prison system demanding Islamic Sharia as the way of life, not America's justice system.

16. Open numerous charities throughout the U.S., but use the funds to support Islamic terrorism with American dollars.

17. Raise interest in Islam on America's campuses by insisting freshman take at least one course on Islam.

18. Unify the numerous Muslim lobbies in Washington, mosques, Islamic student centers, educational organizations, magazines and papers by Internet and an annual convention to coordinate plans, propagate the faith and engender news in the media.

19. Send intimidating messages and messengers to the outspoken individuals who are critical of Islam and seek to eliminate them by hook or crook.

20. Applaud Muslims as loyal citizens of the U.S. by spotlighting their voting record as the highest percentage of all minority and ethic groups in America.

Shorrosh is a member of the Oxford Society of Scholars, has traveled in 76 countries, and is a lecturer and producer of TV documentaries. ''Islam Revealed'' is a bestseller now in its eighth printing. His forthcoming 10th book, from which the 20-point plan is abridged, is titled ''Islam: A Threat or a Challenge.''

''The True Furqan'' is also available for viewing on Islam-Exposed.org. Shorrosh's new website is Focusing-on-Islam.com.

The Truth About Islam

Observations by Dr. David R. Reagan

 

Ever since the Attack on America on September 11, 2001, we have heard a never-ending chorus of voices from government, academia, and the media assuring us that the Islamic terrorists who attacked the Trade Towers and the Pentagon are not repre­sentative of “true Islam.” We have been likewise assured by spiritual leaders — even some Christian spokesmen — that Islam is a religion of peace, and that Muslims worship the same God as Christians and Jews.

“Our war is not against Islam,” we have been told repeatedly. “Our war is against terrorism.”

Central Questions

Well, what about it?

The Intolerant and Militant Nature of Islam

One of the most controversial issues regarding Islam concerns whether or not it is a militant religion. Muslims in the West argue it is peace-loving. Westerners who have experienced it in the Muslim world argue it is inherently in­tolerant and militant.

The Koran itself preaches intolerance toward other religions. Sura 5 contains the following command: “Take not Jews and Christians for friends . . . He among you who takes them for friends is one of them . . . Choose not for friends such of those who received the Scripture before you [Jews and Christians] . .  But keep your duty to Allah” (verses 51, 55, 57). Extreme intolerance is commanded in Sura 5:33 — “[For those who do not submit to Allah] their punishment is . . . execution or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet, from the opposite sides, or exile from the land.”

The Koran also expresses an intolerant attitude toward any person who decides to reject the Islamic faith or convert to another religion. Such persons are to be executed (Sura 9:12). In the Hadith (the oral tradition of Muhammad’s sayings) it says “Whoever changes his religion, kill him” (Hadith 9:57). These commands are practiced in all Islamic Fundamentalist countries today.

With regard to militancy, the Koran not only condones it, it commands it:

Fighting is prescribed for you, and [some of] you dislike it. But it is possible that you dislike a thing which is good for you, and that you love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knows, and you know not (Sura 2:16).

Fight and slay the pagans wherever you find them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war (Sura 9:5).

Fight in the way of Allah . . . and slay them [the unbelievers] wherever you find them and drive them out . . . and fight them until . . . religion is for Allah (Sura 2:190-193).

Muhammad is quoted in the Hadith as saying, “The sword is the key of heaven and hell. A drop of blood in the cause of Allah — a night spent in arms [war] — is of more avail than two months of fasting and prayer. Whosoever falls in battle, his sins are forgiven, and at the day of judgment, his limbs shall be supplied by the wings of angels and cherubim.”12

The Imperialistic Nature of Islam

From its inception, Islam has been committed to what it calls jihad — a word mean­ing holy war. The duty of Muslims is to subjugate or destroy “infidels” — the term the Koran uses for all non-believers.

In the Muslim viewpoint, the world is divided into two regions — those areas controlled by Islam, called Dar al-Islam (meaning the House of Islam) and those called Dar al-Harb (the House of War). The Koran commands Mus­lims to fight non-Muslims until they exterminate all other religions, leaving Islam as the one and only religion in the world (Suras 2:193 and 8:39). Muhammad is quoted in the Hadith as saying, “I have been ordered to fight with the people until they say, none has the right to be worshiped but Allah” (Hadith 4:196).

Regarding terror, Allah orders Muslims to terrorize non-Muslims on his behalf: “Strike terror (into the hearts of ) the enemies of Allah and your enemies” (Sura 8:60). Allah then assures his followers that he will assist them: “I will instill terror into the hearts of unbelievers. Smite them above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them. It is not you who slay them, it is Allah” (Sura 8:12, 17).

Concerning jihad,14 the Koran guarantees Paradise to those who fight for Allah (Sura 4:74). It promises instant Paradise for those who die in battle (Suras 9:111 and 47:5-6). Dying for Allah is presented as better than living: “And if you are killed or die in the Way of Allah, forgiveness and mercy from Allah are far better than all that others may amass [of worldly wealth]” (Sura 3:157).

Martyrs are promised a sensual and luxurious life in Paradise (Sura 52:17-22). According to Al-Ghazzali, one of Islam’s greatest teachers, when a martyr reaches Paradise, he “will marry 500 companions, 4,000 virgins, and 8,000 divorced women.”15 Commenting on this statement, Randall Price, biblical teacher and Middle East expert, observed that the Islamic Paradise is “just the kind of place that adolescent, unmarried men, isolated through their lives from the opposite sex by rigid cultural standards, would die for.”16

Fundamentalist Goals

The Ayatollah Khomeini of Iran was the modern day Islamic spokesman who revived Muhammad’s vision of world con­quest. He taught that the re-establishment of Israel was a Satanic miracle allowed by Allah because of the lukewarmness of the Muslim masses. He called for a renewal of true Islam to accomplish three purposes:19

  1. To overthrow the “secular” rulers of Islamic countries (like Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia, and Egypt), just as he had done in Iran.

  2. To take back the land of Palestine for Allah, exterminating Israel in the process.

  3. To conquer the rest of the world for Allah.

Notice the first priority was the transformation of secular Islamic countries into religious states ruled by the Koran. Then would come Israel and the world.

In a proclamation made by Osama bin Laden in 1998, he listed the same goals and prioritized them in the same order.20 He then identified the United States as the prime obstacle to the achievement of these goals. Accordingly, he called on Muslims everywhere “to comply with Allah’s order to kill the Americans and plunder their money wherever and whenever they find it.”

It is important to note that the eradication of Israel is not the top priority. Nor is Israel viewed as the major obstacle to world conquest. I emphasize this because many Americans are saying that the key to winning the war against terrorism is to dump Israel. More and more, on radio talk shows, I hear people saying, “Let’s cut Israel loose. Let the Arabs have it. Then they will leave us alone.”

That is utter nonsense. Israel is not the cause of Islamic terrorism toward the West. If Israel were to disappear tomorrow, Fundamentalist Islam would still be determined to destroy America as part of its plan to take the world for Allah. And if we were to abandon Israel, the Muslim world would interpret it as an act of cowardice, proving our word is meaningless and that we truly are, as they say, “a depraved society devoid of values.” Our abandonment of Israel would only whet their appetite. Islamic Fundamentalism cannot be appeased. It must be de­feated.




111 posted on 05/05/2004 6:04:50 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (U.S.A. - - United We Stand - - Divided We Fall - - Support Our Troops - - Vote BUSH)
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To: Fishing-guy
Those immigrants thought that "opportunity" meant hard work in a place where one's efforts would allow them to advance. Today's immigrants, especially the illegal ones (and you may NOT simply ignore them) think of "opportunity" as handouts - social security, medicare, welfare, free schools, free housing. They might do low-wage jobs "that Americans are unwilling to do" as some say, but they cost much more in entitlements than they produce in labor - to the tune of billions of dollars a year.

2. We simply disagree. I believe that the vast majority of government school "civics" teachers are leftists, with at the very least, a viciously anti-gun agenda.

3. On the contrary, you said they haven't hit us, and I say they have. You are now quibbling that "Sept 11 doesn't count." Well, I think it does. And like illegal immigrants, I don't think you can simply dismiss it either. (Incidentally, if Sept 11 did bring down America, then we wouldn't be having this discussion at all.)

112 posted on 05/05/2004 6:08:34 PM PDT by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com
You need to have millions of Americans willing to kill each other by the millions. Good luck finding evidence of that besides a race riot once a decade or so..
113 posted on 05/05/2004 6:11:34 PM PDT by AntiGuv (When the countdown hits zero - something's gonna happen..)
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To: AntiGuv
but the idea that we will have a civil war and that the nation will fall apart is ludicrous in any foreseeable scenario

Aztlan. Along with other aspirants.

114 posted on 05/05/2004 6:13:04 PM PDT by neutrino (Everybody, soon or late, sits down to a banquet of consequences. Robert Louis Stevenson.)
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To: A Navy Vet
Well, if it's "small, surgical, and clandestine" I'm pretty sure it will not involve secessions and a dozen or more successor nations..
115 posted on 05/05/2004 6:13:56 PM PDT by AntiGuv (When the countdown hits zero - something's gonna happen..)
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To: Noumenon
Leaving aside the undertone of hyperbole and hysteria, you are talking about anarchy which is as ridiculous a concept for modern America as is secession. The State and Federal authorities would clamp down faster than you can yell "Who--ey!" with the first sign of what you're forecasting...
116 posted on 05/05/2004 6:18:52 PM PDT by AntiGuv (When the countdown hits zero - something's gonna happen..)
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To: AntiGuv
AntiGuv said: "Sorry, I just don't see it. You need to have Americans willing to kill other Americans to have a civil war. Where is the evidence of that? ...We are talking about apocalyptic scenarios and this is just all so much foolishness...."

The wide-spread belief that a civil war cannot happen is probably one of the necessary conditions for civil war.

Democrats in Kalifornia got their way with last year's budget and a $15 billion dollar bond has been passed to pay for the over-spending. That spending rate continues today. Liberals cannot imagine that it is possible to spend their way into civil war.

Just what would be happening in Kalifornia without the $15 billion dollar bond issue? That is what will be happening twelve months from now. Either mind-boggling dislocations due to spending cuts or massive flight of employers and employees due to tax increases.

It is a giant game of economic "chicken" and so far the liberals have not deviated from their spending plans one inch.

117 posted on 05/05/2004 6:19:13 PM PDT by William Tell
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To: A Navy Vet
The "foreign infiltration" of Rome was outright mercenary armies and colonizing peoples. Big, big difference..
118 posted on 05/05/2004 6:20:31 PM PDT by AntiGuv (When the countdown hits zero - something's gonna happen..)
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To: neutrino
Aztlan has no army. When it does, get back to me..
119 posted on 05/05/2004 6:21:36 PM PDT by AntiGuv (When the countdown hits zero - something's gonna happen..)
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To: yonif
Revolution now, before the inevitable anarchy happens.
120 posted on 05/05/2004 6:22:48 PM PDT by hosepipe
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