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Darwin-Free Fun for Creationists
New York Times ^ | 05/01/2004 | ABBY GOODNOUGH

Posted on 04/30/2004 10:41:36 PM PDT by general_re

PENSACOLA, Fla., April 29 — Robert and Schön Passmore took their children to Disney World last fall and left bitterly disappointed. As Christians who reject evolutionary theory, the family scoffed at the park's dinosaur attractions, which date the apatosaurus, brachiosaurus and the like to prehistoric times.

"My kids kept recognizing flaws in the presentation," said Mrs. Passmore, of Jackson, Ala. "You know — the whole `millions of years ago dinosaurs ruled the earth' thing."

So this week, the Passmores sought out a lower-profile Florida attraction: Dinosaur Adventure Land, a creationist theme park and museum here that beckons children to "find out the truth about dinosaurs" with games that roll science and religion into one big funfest with the message that Genesis, not science, tells the real story of the creation.

Kent Hovind, the minister who opened the park in 2001, said his aim was to spread the message of creationism through a fixture of mainstream America — the theme park — instead of pleading its case at academic conferences and in courtrooms.

Mr. Hovind, a former public school science teacher with his own ministry, Creation Science Evangelism, and a hectic lecture schedule, said he had opened Dinosaur Adventure Land to counter all the science centers and natural history museums that explain the evolution of life with Darwinian theory. There are dinosaur bone replicas, with accompanying explanations that God made dinosaurs on Day 6 of the creation as described in Genesis, 6,000 years ago. Among the products the park gift shop peddles are T-shirts with a small fish labeled "Darwin" getting gobbled by a bigger fish labeled "Truth."

"There are a lot of creationists that are really smart and debate the intellectuals, but the kids are bored after five minutes," said Mr. Hovind, who looks boyish at 51 and talks fast. "You're missing 98 percent of the population if you only go the intellectual route."

The theme park is just the latest approach to promoting creationism outside the usual school curriculum route, which Mr. Hovind and others see as important, but too limited and not sufficiently appealing to modern young families. Creationist groups are also promoting creationist vacations, including dinosaur digs in South Dakota, fossil-collecting trips in Australia and New Zealand, and tours of the Grand Canyon ("raft the canyon and learn how Noah's flood contributed to the formation").

Dan Johnson, an assistant manager of the park, said there were also creationism-themed cruises, with lectures on the subject amid swimming and shuffleboard.

A Kentucky creationist group called Answers in Genesis says it is building a 100,000-square-foot complex outside Cincinnati with a museum, classrooms, a planetarium and a special-effects theater where moviegoers can experience the flood and other events described in Genesis.

Ken Ham, the group's chief executive, said marketing surveys suggested that the complex would draw not just home-schooling families and other creationists, but mainstream church groups and curiosity seekers. Mr. Ham said a former Universal Studios art director was designing exhibits for the complex, including dioramas of Adam and Eve and a model of Noah's Ark. The complex will open in 2006 at the earliest, Mr. Ham said.

At Dinosaur Adventure Land, visitors can make their own Grand Canyon replica with sand and read a sign deriding textbooks for teaching that the Colorado River formed the canyon over millions of years: "This is clearly not possible. The top of the Grand Canyon is 4,000 feet higher than where the river enters the canyon! Rivers do not flow up hill!"

There is a movie depicting the creation, the flood and the fall of man, which fast-forwards from a lush Garden of Eden to a New York City traffic jam.

There are no mechanized rides at Dinosaur Adventure Land — no creationist-themed roller coasters, scramblers or even a ferris wheel — but instead, a simple discovery center and museum and about a dozen outdoor games, each of which has a "science lesson" and "spiritual lesson" posted nearby. A group of about 60 parents and home-schooled children who visited Wednesday, including the Passmores, spent all afternoon trying the games, which promote religious faith more than creationist tenets.

Take Jumpasaurus, which involves jumping on a trampoline while trying to throw a ball through a hoop as many times as possible in a minute. The science lesson: "You will use coordination in this game, which means you will be doing more than one thing at once." The spiritual lesson, according to Mr. Johnson: "You need to learn to be coordinated for Jesus Christ so you can get more things done for him."

Somewhat more creationist in approach is the Nerve-Wracking Ball: a bowling ball on a rope, dangling from a tall tree branch. A child stands before the ball, and then a park guide gives it a shove from a specific angle, so that it comes careering back at the child's face only to stop just in front of it. The child wins if he does not flinch, proving he has "faith in God's laws" — in this case, that a swinging object will never come back higher than the point from which it took off.

Eugenie Scott, executive director of the National Center for Science Education, which tracks creationist programs, said traditional creationists like Mr. Hovind had in fact given up on building intellectual credibility years ago.

"They have been going the grass-roots mainstream route for at least 20 years," she said. "So I'm not surprised they are the ones sponsoring group vacations and theme parks and things like that."

Dinosaur Adventure Land, tucked behind a highway lined with car dealerships in this metropolitan area of 425,000, sits next to Mr. Hovind's home and the offices of Creation Science Evangelism, which he said he founded in 1989. Mr. Hovind is well known in Pensacola, and even in a region where religious billboards almost outnumber commercial ones he is controversial. Escambia County sued him in 2000 after he refused to get a $50 permit before building his theme park, saying the government had no authority over a church.

Just last week Internal Revenue Service agents used a search warrant to remove financial documents from Mr. Hovind's home and offices, saying he was not paying taxes and had neither a business license nor tax-exempt status for his enterprises.

Mr. Hovind did not want to discuss the I.R.S. investigation, saying only, "I don't have any tax obligations."

The man who calls himself Dr. Dino is also controversial among creationists, some of whom say he discredits their movement with some of his pseudo-scientific claims. Mr. Hovind got into a dispute in 2002 with Answers in Genesis, when he took issue with an article it published called "Arguments We Think Creationists Should Not Use." One such argument was that footprints found in Texas proved that man and dinosaurs coexisted; Mr. Hovind said he considered the argument, now abandoned by many creationists, valid. Mr. Hovind said he gave 700 lectures a year and that 38,000 people had visited his park, at $7 a head. According to a map that invites visitors to pinpoint their hometown, most come from the Florida Panhandle and from Alabama, Mississippi and Tennessee.

Rachel Painter, camp director at the Alpha Omega Institute, which runs several creationist family summer camps in Colorado, said creationist vacations had gained popularity as the number of Christian home-schooling families had grown. The institute started its camps 18 years ago with 4 families per session, she said, but now up to 18 attend each, and from more states.

Wade and Joan Killingsworth, who belong to a home-schooling coalition called Solid Rock Christian School, said they took their children to Colonial Williamsburg over spring break and came to Dinosaur Adventure Land because it was similarly educational. But they and the Passmores, who traveled from Alabama with eight minivans of like-minded families, said this type of road trip had far more to offer.

"We've been to museums, discovery centers, where you have to sit there and take the evolutionary stuff," Mr. Passmore said. "It feels good for them to finally hear it in a public place, something that reinforces their beliefs."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: creationism; crevo; crevolist; dinosaurs; evolution; hovind; themepark
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To: Don'tMessWithTexas
Listen, bubba, one can love someone and still show contempt for their intellectual abilities. I love my dogs, but I wouldn't trust them with decision making.

Now, as for "Bible believing Protestants who have not even declared any animosity to" me, I grew up in the deep South. You've never known animosity until you've lived as a "papist" surrounded by Bible thumpers.

61 posted on 05/01/2004 5:45:07 AM PDT by Junior (Remember, you are unique, just like everyone else.)
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To: Junior
Creationists are like the last servant in the Parable of the Talents, who hid the talents given to him because he was afraid the master wouldn't approve of his investing them.

Actually, he hid them because he knew the Master would require the profit, and the original investment. (The Luke 19 version casts more light on the motivations of the third servant.)He was not willing to work for what he saw as no reward. That's why Jesus calls him 'wicked', no tjust fearful or lazy. (Of course, he missed the part where the master promoted the faithful servants.)

An interesting story in light of what just happened with Zaccheus directly before he spoke it.

The scariest thing about that parable is that there were ten servants mentioned in the beginning, and Jeses never even addressed the other seven! At least the third guy didn't consume the original investment upon himself, perhaps that's what happened with the other guys....

62 posted on 05/01/2004 5:45:36 AM PDT by ovrtaxt ( Of course, my parasitic twin has a completely different opinion.)
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To: Junior
You've never known animosity until you've lived as a "papist" surrounded by Bible thumpers.

Brother, I feel your pain! But please, don't go as far as equating religious junk like that to Sharia law.

63 posted on 05/01/2004 5:48:08 AM PDT by ovrtaxt ( Of course, my parasitic twin has a completely different opinion.)
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To: PatrickHenry
"Festival of Blue Intellectual Flatulence" memorial placemarker
64 posted on 05/01/2004 8:15:16 AM PDT by longshadow
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To: PatrickHenry
Thanks for the ping!
65 posted on 05/01/2004 8:21:47 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: longshadow

The bear returns for thee!

66 posted on 05/01/2004 9:53:55 AM PDT by balrog666 (A public service post.)
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To: Ichneumon
There's a term for people who insist that truth is what "feels good" rather than "that which corresponds to reality". Starts with "L", ends with "L". Can't think of it. It's on the tip of my tongue...
67 posted on 05/01/2004 11:01:00 AM PDT by Dimensio (I gave you LIFE! I -- AAAAAAAAH!)
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To: John H K
Also, do count up the number of people in the list who made advances in the field of biology. Consider that someone could have a brilliant grasp of the mechanics of the laws of physics and still be totally ignorant as to biological evolution.
68 posted on 05/01/2004 11:04:35 AM PDT by Dimensio (I gave you LIFE! I -- AAAAAAAAH!)
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To: Don'tMessWithTexas
Second,I do not know if anyone has ever been able to prove that Darwinian evolution is "true." If you can point me to such proof, please do so.

No theory in science is ever "proven true". If you understood the scientific method, you would know this.

Even if Darwinian evolution is considered "true" today, it could certainly be proven "untrue" tomorrow.

If it could be falsified, then it certainly hasn't been "proven true".

The central point in this whole debate is whether the Bible is true or not.

Why is it always the Bible? Why is that particular religious text? There are a lot of other religious story collections out there, with their own creation myths, so why is it always a test to see if the Bible is true when the subject of evolution comes up? Evolution raises some serious theological questions.

Mayne. That's an issue with certain interpretations of scripture not matching up with observed reality, however. It is not an attempt on evolution to challenge religion.

First, the Bible says the wages of sin is death. If there were billions of years preceding the rise of humans and the introduction of sin into the world, what accounted for all of that death?

I'm not a Christian, so don't consider my answers to be from an "expert" (and I'm sure that someone will use that fact to dismiss anything I say without comment, because that's so much easier than addressing facts), but I have heard it argued that the "death" referenced is a "spiritual death". As evolution does not address spirituality in any way, there is no conflict.

Second, other places in the Bible refer to the creation of the world. Exodus 20 for example says that God made the world in six days and rested on the seventh. If that statement is not true, then how can you establish the truth of any biblical statement. For example, how can one establish the validity of the virgin birth of Christ, His resurrection, His divinity, His promised return, or the promise of eternity?

I dunno. I guess that you've got a problem, because there is absolutely no physical evidence that the world was created in six days, and in fact there is quite a bit of evidence that this planet came about over a process of millions of years.

I wonder why you bring that up, however. The evolution does not address, in any way, how the earth came to exist.

If texts referring to origins are debatable because of relatively modern theories that seem cogent and are accepted by "scientists," why should any of these biblical ideas be accepted? They certainly seem to be contrary to "scientific" principles. Should they be discarded as well? If so, you would be left with a Bible that is eviscerated.

You do bring up interesting points, though I'm not sure why. None of it has any bearing on the validity of evolution theory. I'll leave it to the Christians here who accept evolution to answer your concerns on that matter further, as I've never cared to give it much thought (since I'm not a believer).

The only relevant inquiry in the end is what is the source of "truth?" Is it something determined by the finite minds of feeble men, or does it reside in the Almighty?

False dichotomy fallacy.

In order for us to know truth, we must possess omniscience and omnipresence. You must be able to be everywhere to find truth and have the ability to truly know everything.

True. As such, the best that we can do is to establish with as much certainty as possible -- which, of course, will never be 100% certainty -- the nature of reality through the most reliable methods available. We must also keep in mind that anything that we think that we "know" may be wrong, so we must have a method for revising our pool of "knowledge" should observed facts contradict what we have currently established as "truth". Fortunately, the scientific method does exactly that.

I do not think that any mere man could make such a claim. Therefore, it would be simply impossible for mortal finite men to establish truth.

Yes, which is why, as I said, we have a means for revising what we consider truth when our current "truths" are contradicted. I'm not sure what your point here is.
69 posted on 05/01/2004 11:14:32 AM PDT by Dimensio (I gave you LIFE! I -- AAAAAAAAH!)
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To: Dimensio
The Word you are looking for is PostModernNewAger. P & R make one feel as good as Ls do.
70 posted on 05/01/2004 5:44:03 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: general_re
Instead of Disney land they could have visited the (most pleonastically and reduntantly named) The La Brea Tar Pits. Then they could have asked Hovind why the dire wolf and mastodon fossils are layered so neatly in the tar. Also, what did the Mastodons browse on while sailing with the various animals. Were there enough mammoths to feed the sabretooths for a month or so?
71 posted on 05/01/2004 5:47:47 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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P L A C E M A R K E R
72 posted on 05/01/2004 7:15:25 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (A compassionate evolutionist!)
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To: Wacka
Don't have to pay taxes when you are bankrupt!

Hovind's not bankrupt - his Chapter 13 filing was tossed out of court for being a blatant attempt to manipulate the tax system. Besides, even if you are bankrupt, tax liabilities are not discharged if your returns are fraudulent or you haven't filed your returns, and by his own admission, Hovind hasn't filed a return any time in at least the last decade or so...

73 posted on 05/01/2004 8:53:31 PM PDT by general_re (Drive offensively - the life you save may be your own.)
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To: ovrtaxt
However, the fact that many scientists take Darwin for a kook shouldn't call into question their intelligence or commitment to the scientific process.

Many scientists? I dont think so.

And unless people who think Darwin was a "kook" come forth with any actual scientific evidence to refute his ideas, then their "commitment to the scientific process" most certainly should be called into question.

74 posted on 05/01/2004 8:57:04 PM PDT by RightWingNilla
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To: Doctor Stochastic; Dimensio
The Word you are looking for is PostModernNewAger. P & R make one feel as good as Ls do.

Arguing with a socialist/marxist/deconstructionist evokes almost the same exact feelings as dealing with a young earth creationist. They had a brief encounter with reality, and to their horror found it at odds with their pathetically narrow view of world.

75 posted on 05/01/2004 9:06:48 PM PDT by RightWingNilla
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To: Junior
Fear drives most men.
76 posted on 05/02/2004 12:42:37 PM PDT by furball4paws (No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American people - HL Mencken)
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