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Bad web connection leads to big phone bill (AOL)
The Telegraph online (Nashua, NH) ^ | 04/20/04 | Anne Lundregan

Posted on 04/20/2004 9:50:34 AM PDT by NewHampshireDuo

LITCHFIELD - Ken Pedersen thought running AOL’s AutoFix on his computer would help solve his connection problems.

Instead, he said, he wound up with a phone bill that was over $3,000.

Pedersen, 67, has filed a complaint with the attorney general’s office, canceled his American Online service, canceled his separate phone line for the computer, and switched to Adelphia’s Powerlink cable Internet service.

However, the town resident still faces the obstacle of paying Verizon a little under $3,400.

The problems, Pedersen said, began when he noticed a feature on his homepage called AutoFix that was promoted as a tool to fine-tune computers.

Pedersen, who was having problems with his connection breaking up, decided to run the program. AutoFix identified two connectivity problems, which he opted to have corrected.

As part of that process, the computer shut down and shortly afterward, Pedersen signed back in.

“It ran great for three weeks, then I got the phone bill,” h e said.

According to the bill, Pedersen had called a number in Alstead, more than 70 miles from his home.

The toll rate for calls to that area ranges from 15-29 cents a minute, he said.

Running the program should not have resulted in Pedersen’s access number being changed, an AOL spokesman said.

“We regret that we cannot credit Mr. Pedersen’s account for the long-distance and toll charges that he received,” said Nicholas Graham. “These charges did not originate from AOL, and, therefore, no compensation can be provided.”

AutoFix helps people troubleshoot on their computers and is a service the company provides, Graham said. One of the things the program may do is point out different access numbers, Graham said.

The company has disclaimers reminding costumers to “carefully select access numbers” and to check with their local phone companies to determine if the access number is a local call or toll one, Graham said.

“AOL does not ever select, change, redirect, reroute or modify in anyway the dial-up access choices that members alone are supposed to make,” he said.

Pedersen said he tried getting in touch with AOL and called the company four to five times after getting his phone bill April 15.

The common answer was, “it’s not our problem,” said Pedersen, who subscribed to AOL for five years.

He was told that the Internet provider does not pick the numbers that people use.

Verizon expressed sympathy but said there was nothing the company could do, since the Pedersens had made the calls.

Verizon is just the underlying provider, said Jill Wurm, of Verizon public affairs. Nothing Verizon did caused the couple to incur the charges, she said.

The company can make payment arrangements to help customers like the Pedersens, Wurm said.

Customers can also have a seven-digit toll block placed on their lines, requiring the area code for toll calls, Wurm said. Such a block might prevent people from unwittingly making toll calls, she said.

Pedersen said he has received e-mails from other AOL users saying their access number also mysteriously changed, he said.

“I’m the winner,” Pedersen said. “I have the biggest bill so far.”

Pedersen has filed a complaint with the attorney general’s office, which contacted AOL for more information.

Typically, the attorney general’s office will ask individuals and companies whom a complaint is filed against to participate in voluntary mediation, Senior Assistant Attorney General Kristin Spath said.

The office will either decide it’s satisfied with the explanation or ask for more information, she said.

As for Pedersen, he’s no longer an AOL customer.

“I’d like to nail AOL,” he said. “As much as the money hurts, the denial that something like this could happen is so frustrating.”


TOPICS: Extended News; Miscellaneous; US: New Hampshire
KEYWORDS: aohell; aol; hugephonebill
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Reminds me of the time our son came home from college during the 1 month xmas break. He forgot to log in with our local number and used his college local number instead. Imagine our surprise when we got the first bill - $1200...Fortunately, we aren't on AOL (hate it), and Verizon was gracious in helping to get the charges off our bill. Good thing, as the next month's bill for our phone contained the last of the charges - another $500!

Kids..............!

1 posted on 04/20/2004 9:50:35 AM PDT by NewHampshireDuo
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To: NewHampshireDuo
I can sympathize with your situation, and indeed, is why I say to this guy, "tough luck, take it up with Verizon. Maybe you can get a reduced bill".

As far as not being responsible at all for the charges, no way, Jose! I did this myself, foolishly, also with AOL. I was foolish to not check the new number that AOL "recommended" and it ended up costing me close to $400.

I paid the bill and learned my lesson. I also ended up getting rid of AOL over that, as I couldn't get a good connection with them unless I went for a toll call.
2 posted on 04/20/2004 9:55:05 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: FourtySeven
AOL displays the number it is dialing... did he not notice?
3 posted on 04/20/2004 9:58:57 AM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (John F-ing Kerry??? NO... F-ING... WAY!!!)
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To: Lunatic Fringe
My net service clearly states the access number that is being dialed.
4 posted on 04/20/2004 10:01:58 AM PDT by Ciexyz
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To: NewHampshireDuo
Communications companies, Verizon in particular, are not exactly blessed with the best and brightest in their corporate customer service offices to say the least.
5 posted on 04/20/2004 10:03:38 AM PDT by wingster
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To: NewHampshireDuo
AOL - hemoriging customers - should try to work with him and Verizon to at least come up with a payment plan, and maybe a little "good will", but then again, that is why we have the winders OS - so that we don't have to know how are computers work - more of the dumbing down of America!
6 posted on 04/20/2004 10:08:22 AM PDT by Core_Conservative ("right now western Europe is looking like a dead horse." Mark Steyn)
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To: Ciexyz
Talk about something kooky, my wife installed the newest version of our e-mail last night and some how or another the computer wound up dialing 911. At three or so this morning HPD was outside our house shining spotlights. When she explained to the officer she did not call 911 but was on the puter, the cop said that it happens all the time.I never heard of such a thing.
7 posted on 04/20/2004 10:12:33 AM PDT by eastforker (The color of justice is green,just ask Johny Cochran!)
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To: NewHampshireDuo
Why not get free Internet long-distance, and then connect up with that?


;-)
8 posted on 04/20/2004 10:45:24 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your Friendly Freeper Patent Attorney)
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To: NewHampshireDuo
“We regret that we cannot credit Mr. Pedersen’s account for the long-distance and toll charges that he received,” said Nicholas Graham. “These charges did not originate from AOL, and, therefore, no compensation can be provided.”

Yes, it is AOL's fault. A bug in their program caused it to choose the wromg phone number, or present you with a list that didn't have the right number in it. Take AOL to Small Claims.

9 posted on 04/20/2004 11:00:24 AM PDT by BlazingArizona
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To: NewHampshireDuo
When I see the word "auto" in a program, I cringe. Never assume that anything is going to work automatically. Modern systems are simply too dynamic to account for every contingency.

10 posted on 04/20/2004 11:05:08 AM PDT by Agnes Heep (Solus cum sola non cogitabuntur orare pater noster)
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To: NewHampshireDuo
The phone company should have a computer program to identify ISP phone numers and if a customer is getting charged for a toll call they could send out a notice telling them . This would save alot of potential mistakes, be a great consumer service by the phone company, and ISP could file their log in numbers to the phone companies.

But this is too simple and would prevent "big" telephone from making obscene profits.

11 posted on 04/20/2004 11:06:00 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: NewHampshireDuo
Why would anyone seriously want to use America Offline??? It's over priced, generally slow and junk filled. Unfortunately many newbies feel intimidated by other systems and cling to AOL even if there are far better systems available. Get with a local provider--broadband if possible and ditch Internet Explorer for a free download of Mozilla as your browser and e-mail support.
12 posted on 04/20/2004 11:21:12 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: NewHampshireDuo
Running the program should not have resulted in Pedersen’s access number being changed, an AOL spokesman said.

Almost the same thing happened to me, although I caught it right away and only had to pay about $10 in charges. I had picked up an access number that was a toll call, even thought the town was only about 20 miles from here and the area code was the same. To make it even more confusing a different area code in the adjacent city offers free service. Luckily the bad number was about 5th or 6th on my list, so the auto dialer didn't hit on it very often.

13 posted on 04/20/2004 11:22:02 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic (Re-elect Dubya)
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To: The Great RJ
...ditch Internet Explorer for a free download of Mozilla as your browser and e-mail support.

How do I do that, and what will it get me?

14 posted on 04/20/2004 11:23:06 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic (Re-elect Dubya)
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

Amateurs! AOL-using IDIOT! Friends don't let friends use AOL, is what I've been saying for years now.

Here's a clue: DON'T USE DIALUP.

See, I've done tech support for dialup users, and let me tell you, I wonder how some of them manage to tie their own shoes! Or keep from drowning themselves by looking up during a rainstorm! In fact, I've met dogs and cats smarter than some of the dialup users I've had the misfortune of dealing with.

Yes, yes, I admit it. I have a deep, bitter contempt for dialup - not only the users, but the service itself. It's slow, clunky, and is completely dependent on the quality of your phone line. If you're in an older home, you're screwed - good luck getting ANY connection better than 24kbs.

My own PC came with a modem, and do you know what I did with it? I YANKED THAT SUCKER OUT OF ITS PCI SLOT, AND SMASHED IT WITH A SLEDGE HAMMER! Get cable or DSL - more bang for the buck by far, and it's always on.

15 posted on 04/20/2004 11:24:39 AM PDT by FierceDraka (Service and Glory!)
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To: NewHampshireDuo
First it was porn sites who tricked users into rerouting scams (computer dialed in long distance access numbers in Ukraine, resulting in exorbitant charges)

Finally, Corporate America saw an opportunity in that.

The message is clear: get rid of dial up and send AOLes to dumpster.

16 posted on 04/20/2004 11:24:51 AM PDT by DTA (you ain't seen nothing yet)
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To: eastforker
You think that's something I kne a lady who's phone automatically dialed 911 when the batteries would get low.
17 posted on 04/20/2004 11:27:11 AM PDT by HungarianGypsy
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To: FierceDraka
Some do not have access to cable or DSL,or a clear view of the southern sky for a dish, like me. I hate my dial up.Right now I have a 16,800bps connection,yes it sucks but it's all I can get.
18 posted on 04/20/2004 11:35:17 AM PDT by eastforker (The color of justice is green,just ask Johny Cochran!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Go here:

http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/

Firefox is the name of the internet browser.

I have been using if for about 2 months on the recommendation from somebody on Free Republic.

It's awesome ! Microsoft Internet Explorer is SO SLOW, filled with pop-ups, etc.

Firefox is so much faster, easy to use, and NO POP UPS!

Hope this helps.

19 posted on 04/20/2004 11:52:46 AM PDT by IDontLikeToPayTaxes
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To: eastforker
Have you tried replacing your telephone wire inside the house? My connection speed almost doubled when I ran some new wire from the demark (the point outside the house where the TelCo's responsibility ends and your wire hooks up) to my PC.
20 posted on 04/20/2004 12:00:58 PM PDT by SWake ("Estrada was savaged by liars and abandoned by cowards." Mark Davis, WBAP, 09/09/2003)
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