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TERRI SCHINDLER-SCHIAVO DAILY THREADAPRIL 19, 2004 FORWARD
April 19, 2004 | floriduh voter

Posted on 04/19/2004 2:05:56 PM PDT by floriduh voter

Persistent and Loyal Friends of Terri and of the U.S. Constitution,

I'm home from today's hearing which was held at the Criminal Courthouse Complex on 49th Street, Clearwater before Judge W. Douglas Baird.

Once I collect my thoughts from today's hearing which just adjourned about a half an hour ago, I'll post them here. Initially, I wasn't going to do any reporting re: the hearing but it was enlightening.

I learned today in the hallway that Terri's parents, siblings and other relatives are still unable to see her some three weeks later due to the criminal investigation of what may have been mosquito bites. But, that's a different legal matter.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Florida
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To: floriduh voter
Judge Baird
41 posted on 04/19/2004 5:22:44 PM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org/)
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To: floriduh voter
Bravo to all you wonderful people who attended this hearing in support of Terri. You provide such comfort and encouragement to Terri and her family! Bless each and every one of you!
42 posted on 04/19/2004 5:49:45 PM PDT by TOUGH STOUGH (A vote for president Bush IS a vote for principle.)
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To: nickcarraway; cyn; pc93; FL_engineer; GWB and GOP Man; Republic; russesjunjee; phenn
www.lifenews.com.

Judge Hears But Doesn't Decide Latest Fight in Terri Schiavo Battle

by Steven Ertelt LifeNews.com Editor April 19, 2004

Clearwater, FL (LifeNews.com) -- A local judge held a hearing in the latest battle over Terri's Law, the measure approved by the Florida state legislature that allowed Governor Jeb Bush (R) to ask doctors to reinsert Terri Schiavo's feeding tube.

Circuit Court Judge Douglas Baird reheard a motion from Terri's estranged husband Michael to overturn Terri's Law and prevent Bush from deposing witnesses to defend it. Michael is seeking to remove the tube and end her life.

Bush attorney Ken Connor, former president of the pro-life Family Research Council, says establishing that Terri would not have wanted to be killed is important to defending Terri's Law. Questioning witnesses, including Terri's younger brother Bobby, Michael and the woman with whom Michael is living, could help their case.

Connor told Baird on Monday that, following another judge's determination that Terri would not have wanted to be kept alive artificially, others have come forward saying Terri would have wanted to live.

But George Felos, the assisted suicide advocate who is Michael's attorney, said Baird has all of the information he needs to rule on the constitutionality of the law and that Terri's wishes are not an issue.

Felos, who is getting help from the ACLU in the case, argues that the state's separation of powers should have prevented Bush or the legislature from intervening in a judicial decision.

Pamela Hennessy, a representative of Terri's family, told LifeNews.com she found it "odd that Felos argued a separation of powers issue because Terri's law offers no due process for Terri. Yet, he is asking the judge to issue a summary judgment without giving the Governor the opportunity to discovery or deposition of witnesses."

"That, to me, seems like a complete lack of due process, so Mr. Felos' argument is a double standard at best," Hennessy said.

Michael claimed -- years after Terri's collapse and only after their estate was awarded a $1 million medical malpractice judgment -- that he remembered a supposed conversation where Terri indicated she didn't want extra measures taken to prolong her life.

However, a good friend of Terri's vividly remembers watching a television program with Terri about a woman who was in a coma for years. Terri was upset when she told a joke about the woman and said there was no way doctors or lawyers could know the woman's wishes.

"Where there is life, there is hope," Terri told her friend.

The money was supposed to be used to take care of Terri, but much of it has been used for Michael's legal bills and her parents say Terri has never received appropriate medical care or rehabilitative therapy.

If Baird rules the law unconstitutional, Michael will be able to remove her feeding tube for a third time, possibly causing her death.

According to the Associated Press, Connor told Baird that state legislators, in passing the law, "saw a woman who was unable to speak for herself and whose husband had a clear, admitted conflict of interest."

"Terri Schiavo's wishes are very much at issue. [She] has demonstrated a resolute will to live," Connor said.

Related web sites: Terri Schiavo's family - http://www.terrisfight.org

43 posted on 04/19/2004 5:53:40 PM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org/)
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To: TOUGH STOUGH; NYer
Thank you for your kind words. New article follows from lifenews.com.
44 posted on 04/19/2004 5:55:12 PM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org/)
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To: TOUGH STOUGH
Post#42. Yes I agree and thank you {{{ALL}}}.
45 posted on 04/19/2004 6:01:53 PM PDT by Chocolate Rose
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To: floriduh voter
I think Felos' right to refuse water out-weighs his right to drink water. Any evidence that he desires water is irrelevant. In order to uphold his Constitutional rights, we must deprive him of water.
46 posted on 04/19/2004 6:09:08 PM PDT by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 a.m. EDT, until she's safe.)
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To: TOUGH STOUGH
Bless each and every one of you!

hear, hear! and thanks so much for keeping us informed . . . that is so crucial.

47 posted on 04/19/2004 6:16:57 PM PDT by cyn (http://www.terrisfight.com)
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To: floriduh voter
above for you!
48 posted on 04/19/2004 6:17:33 PM PDT by cyn (http://www.terrisfight.com)
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To: BykrBayb
Dasani Water is from the UK's water system. No Evian for Felos even though I'm sure he can afford it with all that Terri $ he pocketed.
49 posted on 04/19/2004 6:20:48 PM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org/)
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To: floriduh voter; diotima; AnnaZ; AppyPappy
VICKIE CHACHERE Associated Press hits the bullseye here:
"Michael Schiavo is engaged to another woman with whom he has two children, Connor said. Michael Schiavo also never mentioned his wife's wishes when he told a jury considering a separate malpractice case that he wanted to take care of his wife for the rest of her life."

50 posted on 04/19/2004 6:21:51 PM PDT by cyn (http://www.terrisfight.com)
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To: floriduh voter; CindyDawg; fiesti; KDubRN
"JUDGE BAIRD said that he would review the proceedings and put something in writing... The Orders usually come down by fax to the parties."

...is this where what Pat Anderson calls "the rule of Terri's case" comes into play (as Wesley Smith wrote on 1/30/04)? Judge gives every appearance of fairly considering all points (heLLO, MS is a compromised guardian!), but then comes back with an outrageous ruling out of the blue?

What concerns me is that we do not know how Terri is. Those trumped up marks w/immediate blame placed on Terri's parents were for just this purpose: to keep scrutiny off Terri, exhibit A if you will.

Tonight, Terri is still missing (at least) 2 (TWO) teeth and has a decubitus ulcer of unknown severity. Those teeth didn't just walk out of her mouth, and the same neglect that allowed the ulcer to form (did her parents say how severe it was; did they see it?), if not remedied, will allow it to continue to progress -- healing it takes diligent effort! Infection can result from either site, and we know that MS did not allow treatment in past infections.

Anyways . . . I'm concerned for Terri. She and all fighting for her remain in my thoughts and prayers.

Oh, God, may your angels seen and unseen continue to guard, protect, and defend Terri from all evil near and far. Please keep anyone from hurting her -- in any way, in her body, her case, her family. This I pray in Jesus' Name, Amen.

51 posted on 04/19/2004 6:37:06 PM PDT by cyn (http://www.terrisfight.com)
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To: cyn
That number 50 goes to motive. That's a big conflict of interest having hubby as guardian. Further, did Michael commit perjury in front of the malpractice jury? Probably but so much time has passed. He certainly didn't keep his marriage vows or his vow to care for Terri. HE LIED and HE CONTINUES TO LIE because he's enabled by a duplicitous court system. Privately, many civic employees are rooting for Terri.
52 posted on 04/19/2004 6:40:31 PM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org/)
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To: floriduh voter
but a while back some (court?) employees were making bets about Terri?
53 posted on 04/19/2004 6:52:42 PM PDT by cyn (http://www.terrisfight.com)
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To: cyn
Yes, but remember a court employee reported it was going on in the first place. I would not divulge my sources to the PR guy at the courthouse. He needed to conduct his own investigation.
54 posted on 04/19/2004 6:59:02 PM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org/)
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To: floriduh voter
good for you . . . thanks for keeping up on the various aspects of this and being ready to act . . . hope you're eating your Wheaties™ !
55 posted on 04/19/2004 7:03:01 PM PDT by cyn (http://www.terrisfight.com)
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To: floriduh voter
When do you think we will hear something?
56 posted on 04/19/2004 7:09:09 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: floriduh voter
" I thanked Ken Connor for coming. He's a good man, folks."

:o) Thank God for good people. I'm so glad you were able to meet and talk with him!

57 posted on 04/19/2004 7:10:03 PM PDT by cyn (http://www.terrisfight.com)
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To: CindyDawg
They like to drop these kind of bombshells on Fridays before the weekend but I could be wrong.
58 posted on 04/19/2004 7:21:32 PM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org/)
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To: floriduh voter
Michael Schiavo also never mentioned his wife's wishes when he told a jury considering a separate malpractice case that he wanted to take care of his wife for the rest of her life.

Excellent!

I'd like Jeb's attorneys to review the last several t.v. appearances by Felos and Michael. Felos stated that, "...all of Terri's money is gone!" How can Judge Greer now (previous thread) "liquidate all of her assests"?

I think Fox News' Gibson was the interviewer. Can someone find the transcript - I've tried with no success.

On another program, the most damning evidence, IMHO, was Michael's reason for denying the Schindlers the right to care for Terri, and even access to her....he said something to the effect, "For the way they [had] treated him."

59 posted on 04/19/2004 7:37:08 PM PDT by lakey
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To: All
Nice comments here, and it was a good breakpoint to refresh the
DAILY thread.

I asked on the other thread from today, at post 23, for
Friends of Terri to try out a new web-form for writing
letters to the editors.

http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/1120737/posts?page=23#23

I'd like to see Terri's team flood the papers before
the hemlock side does the same.
60 posted on 04/19/2004 7:37:08 PM PDT by Future Useless Eater (FreedomLoving_Engineer)
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