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Document: Oklahoma City Bombing Was Taped
AP via Yahoo! ^ | April 19, 2004 | John Solomon

Posted on 04/19/2004 1:23:06 PM PDT by RippleFire

WASHINGTON - A Secret Service document written shortly after the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing described security video footage of the attack and witness testimony that suggested Timothy McVeigh (news - web sites) may have had accomplices at the scene.

"Security video tapes from the area show the truck detonation 3 minutes and 6 seconds after the suspects exited the truck," the Secret Service reported six days after the attack on a log of agents' activities and evidence in the Oklahoma investigation.

The government has insisted McVeigh drove the truck himself and that it never had any video of the bombing or the scene of the Alfred P. Murrah building in the minutes before the April 19, 1995, explosion.

Several investigators and prosecutors who worked the case told The Associated Press they had never seen video footage like that described in the Secret Service log.

The document, if accurate, is either significant evidence kept secret for nine years or a misconstrued recounting of investigative leads that were often passed by word of mouth during the hectic early days of the case, they said.

"I did not see it," said Danny Defenbaugh, the retired FBI (news - web sites) agent who ran the Oklahoma City probe. "If it shows what it says, then it would be significant."

Secret Service spokesman Charles Bopp declined to discuss the video footage reference, saying it would be addressed by witnesses later this week at the capital murder trial of McVeigh co-defendant Terry Nichols. "It is anticipated Secret Service employees will testify in court concerning these matters," he said.

Other documents obtained by AP show the Secret Service in late 1995 gave prosecutors several computer disks of enhanced digital photographs of the Murrah building, intelligence files on several subjects in the investigation and a file detailing an internal affairs inquiry concerning an agent who reconstructed key phone evidence against McVeigh.

"These abstract sheets are sensitive documents which we have protected from disclosure in the past," said a Secret Service letter that recounted discussions in late 1995 with federal prosecutors on what evidence would be turned over to defense lawyers.

Lawyers for Nichols say they have never been given the security video, photo disks or internal investigative file referenced in the documents.

The trial judge has threatened to dismiss the death penalty case if evidence was withheld. McVeigh was executed in 2001 on a separate federal conviction. Nichols was sentenced to life in prison on federal charges before being tried by the state this year.

The government has maintained for years that McVeigh parked the Ryder rental truck carrying a massive fertilizer bomb outside the Murrah building and left alone in a getaway car he parked around the corner. The bombing killed more than 160 people.

The only video prosecutors introduced at trial showed the Ryder truck without any visible passengers as it passed a security camera inside a high-rise apartment building a block away from the Murrah building.

But the Secret Service log reported on April 24 and April 25, 1995, that there was security footage showing the Ryder truck pulling up to the Murrah building. The log does not say where such video came from or who possessed it.

A log entry on April 25 states that the security footage allowed agents to determine the time that elapsed between suspects leaving the truck and the explosion.

An entry a day earlier on the same log reported that the security video was consistent with a witness' account that he saw McVeigh's getaway car in the lead before a woman guided the truck to its final parking spot in front of the Murrah building.

"A witness to the explosion named Grossman claimed to have seen a pale yellow Mercury car with a Ryder truck behind it pulling up to the federal building," the log said. The witness "further claimed to have seen a woman on the corner waving to the truck."

A Secret Service agent named McNally "noted that this fact is significant due to the fact that the security video shows the Ryder truck pulling up to the Federal Building and then pausing (7 to 10 seconds) before resuming into the slot in front of the building," the log said. "It is speculated that the woman was signaling the truck when a slot became available."

Defenbaugh said the FBI had talked to several witnesses suggesting two people had left the truck, but prosecutors never introduced the scenario at trial because it couldn't be corroborated. That's why a new security video would be significant, he said.

"It would have taken the investigation in a very specific direction," Defenbaugh said. "Rather than having to go down an eight-lane highway during rush hour, we would have gone down a faster path with just two or four lanes."

Defenbaugh said the FBI kept a log similar to the Secret Service document inside the Oklahoma City investigation command center that might help solve the mystery of the video. Justice officials declined to discuss documents, citing the ongoing Nichols' trial.

In addition to the witness mentioned in the Secret Service document, a woman working in Murrah's Social Security (news - web sites) office who was rescued from the rubble and a driver outside the building both reported to the FBI seeing two men leave the truck, according to government documents.

The Secret Service (news - web sites) log contained other information about the case — including that McVeigh made 30 calls to an Illinois gun dealer in the months before the attacks to seek dynamite and that the gun dealer subsequently failed a lie detector test. The Secret Service lost six employees in McVeigh's bombing, the single largest loss in agency history.

Nichols' attorneys last week asked the judge to dismiss the case on grounds the government withheld evidence, including the security video footage.

New documents obtained by AP show the Secret Service provided prosecutors other evidence that may not have been provided to defense lawyers, including a file showing the Secret Service agent who reconstructed crucial phone evidence against McVeigh was subjected to an internal affairs investigation and eventually cleared for her conduct in the case.

FBI officials say that file details allegations the agent wrongly collected grand jury-subpoenaed phone information about McVeigh's calls without FBI knowledge, and kept it for weeks while she produced analysis that helped the investigation.

The internal investigation caused complications for prosecutors. They decided it tainted the agent as a witness and they chose instead to hire an outside expert to re-do the phone analysis for trial, officials said.

Bopp said the Secret Service did nothing wrong.

"The Secret Service worked cooperatively with the FBI and other federal state and local law enforcement throughout the investigation," Bopp said. "The expertise of the Secret Service on electronic crimes and telecommunications provided unique and timely information to the ongoing investigation."

On the Net:

The FBI: http://www.fbi.gov

The documents obtained by The Associated Press can be viewed at http://wid.ap.org/documents/okc/okcdoc2.pdf


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To: Tymesup
Easy enough to determine. Interrogate the OKC police officer first on the scene. Officer Yeakey? Terry Yeakey?

Lets put him on the stand, under oath, and see what he has to say...."

For those of you who don't know, Officer Yeakey died under suspicious circumstances. Ex-Freeper Honway started this thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/618176/posts

Another Freeper started this one:

THE DEATH OF OKLAHOMA CITY POLICE OFFICER TERRANCE YEAKEY

Oh, well. Since the officer who literally pulled a dozen victims from the rubble isn't around to tell us what he saw, how about calling as a witness the Doctor who treated many of the victims initially, and stated that uninjured BATF agents came to him to have nonpresent wounds bandaged so they'd appear to have been inside when the blast happened.

Dr Chumley, I believe his name was. Let's call that courageous physician to testify as to what he observed.

301 posted on 04/19/2004 8:28:03 PM PDT by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: FreeAtlanta
What is the left's motivation? Anarchy?

As a former radical anti-government type, I can tell you, at least in my case, that it's a hatred of America. It's not rational, but man is it strong. It's also demonically inspired, since I believe that God is primarily using this nation to spread His Gospel throughout the world, so the enemy's strategy is to undermine it with hate.

Getting born again, and listening to Rush Limbaugh changed me.

Now, I'm a radical, anti-government type, who loves America.

302 posted on 04/19/2004 8:28:07 PM PDT by ovrtaxt ( Communism has bowed the knee to Jesus. *** Allah is next.)
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To: antivenom
Wen Ho Lee Suspicious wildfires around Missing sensitive security data that SUDDENLY reappears behind a copier

You can probably cross link these. The Los Alamos fire, which didn't burn the complex, but wiped out hughe acreage around it, was set by DOI Forrestry people, despite high winds and a ridiculous fire index.

No one in their right mind would attempt a "controlled burn" under those circumstances.

Unless, that is, they were trying to destroy or obfusticate something. After the fire, the drives with the N.E.S.T. data* majically re-appeared behind the Xerox machine...

*Kinda the equivalent of a Chilton's manual for every weapon in the US Nuclear Arsenal.

303 posted on 04/19/2004 8:28:11 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (You are not paranoid if "they" really are out to get you.)
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To: TomGuy
Davis was on the afternoon talk show too...don't know if it was Glenn Beck or Rusty Humphries...

but , OMG....I always suspected that this was a more than just two white crackers, but little did I know just how much evidence there exists that shows a ME connection...

of course, this is what we get when the stinking ,lazy illiterate sheeple vote in a crook and a wimp and a deviant not once but TWICE....

perot....perot...perot......what a masterful job he did in electing his buddy in crime , the Toon......

304 posted on 04/19/2004 8:29:57 PM PDT by cherry
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To: Nita Nupress; _Jim
Underscore hasn't posted in a month now.
305 posted on 04/19/2004 8:30:56 PM PDT by Tymesup
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To: blackdog
The seismograph at the university of OK picked up two events. This was explained away as a refraction at first, then as the explosion, followed by the building's collapse. Do a search on the OK City Bombing at http://www.thenewamerican.com for info, this has been around since the dust started settling. The JBS smelled a rat right away.
306 posted on 04/19/2004 8:31:49 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (You are not paranoid if "they" really are out to get you.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
THe lone nut scenario never washed. McVeigh was taken into custody while driving in a car with no license plate, with a loaded 9mm pistol handy.

I may be being picky, but I believe McVeigh's Glock was a .45, purchased in Ogden, KS. His New York carry permit, obtained when he was an armored car guard, was for a previously owned 9mm Glock.

307 posted on 04/19/2004 8:36:13 PM PDT by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: Nita Nupress
Apparently the other previously buried leg wasn't able to be DNA tested because it was embalmed and not enough material to test. This sounds like bs and if nothing else survived of this individual except for one leg then this person may have been in the truck. Some folks on usenet were discussing this once

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=leg+dna+oklahoma+timothy&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&edition=us&selm=3ade1d34.1491870%40news.earthlink.net&rnum=1
308 posted on 04/19/2004 8:37:27 PM PDT by Jim_Curtis
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To: archy
Dr Chumley, I believe his name was. Let's call that courageous physician to testify as to what he observed.

I read on the thread about Yeakey that Chumley met an untimely death too.

Did Dr. Don Chumley crash on the evening of September 25th due to bad weather? Did he commit suicide due to his grief over what he saw on the morning of April 19th. Or was Don Chumley murdered? It was rumored that Chumley was about to go public with some damning information. According to Michele Moore, who has investigated the bombing, Chumley was asked to bandage two federal agents who falsely claimed to have been trapped in the building that morning. Since the pair was obviously not hurt, Chumley refused. When the agents petitioned another doctor at the scene, Chumley intervened, threatening to report them. When Chumley learned of the government's hastily planned cover- up, he apparently decided to go public. It seems he never got the chance. ________________________________________________________ Tonia Yeakey in the interview confirms that Dr. Chumley and Terry were definately connected. They were sharing pictures and information about the bombing and she also stated Terry was once a patient of Chumley's, contrary to the assertions of others that the two had never met. Chumley died in the September before Yeakey died in the following May.

309 posted on 04/19/2004 8:38:12 PM PDT by abner (FREE THE MIRANDA MEMOS! http://www.intelmemo.com or http://www.wintersoldier.com)
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To: sissyjane
...and not to totslly change the subject, but what about the Egypt air that the pilot crashed into to sea? No one ever called that terrorism. Wonder if Jamie Gorelick shut that one down too?

That pilot used maneuvers which might be used trying to dodge a heat-seeking missile in a fighter aircraft--only in a much larger plane.

Alternately, he might have been trying to keep someone from taking the aircraft and using it as the ones were used on 9/11.

310 posted on 04/19/2004 8:39:37 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (You are not paranoid if "they" really are out to get you.)
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To: Incorrigible
"Paging Michael Rivero"

wow...a blast from the past......

whatever happened to him?.....I miss his input......

311 posted on 04/19/2004 8:41:52 PM PDT by cherry
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To: RippleFire
What is the explanation by the prosecutors of how McVeigh drove the rider truck AND arranged to have his getaway car around the corner from the Murrah Building?
312 posted on 04/19/2004 8:42:25 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: archy
Carol Howe. BATF informant (later denied by the BATF) was in an enclave known as Eloihim City, and tried to give warning that the Murrah Building was a target for a bombing.

She also claimed a West German National, one Andreas Strassmeier, was involved.

I don't know how he fits in, or if this was the smokescreen part of the op to tie all of this in with the 'extreme right wing conspiracy'.

Her presence/denial may be a red herring designed to get the right wing looking at theories other than Iraq.

313 posted on 04/19/2004 8:46:40 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (You are not paranoid if "they" really are out to get you.)
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To: IncPen
Clinton Knew.
314 posted on 04/19/2004 8:47:29 PM PDT by oyez (Fortune favors the bold.)
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To: BushisTheMan
honestly, no government is ever going to get the Clintonistas.......

it will have to be some other means....

criminality sometimes only responds to criminality....

I hope Bush is strong enough....

Someday, the Gop, not that they don't have their own evil minions, but someday they are going to have to stop being the stupid party and start being the strong party....

315 posted on 04/19/2004 8:50:33 PM PDT by cherry
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To: Marie Antoinette
September 11, 2001: Mr. George Stephanopoulos, former assistant to President Clinton, on ABC TV with Peter Jennings in mid afternoon talked about the two situation rooms in the White House.

Stephanopoulos: "There are facilities in the White House, not the normal situation room, which everyone has seen in the past, has seen pictures of. There is a second situation room, behind the primary situation room, which has video conferencing capabilities. The director of the Pentagon, the defense chief, can speak from a national military command center at the Pentagon. The Secretary of State can speak from the State Department, the President from wherever he is, and they'll have this capability for video conferencing throughout this crisis." "In my time at the White House it was used in the aftermath of the Oklahoma City bombing, in the aftermath of the TWA Flight 800 bombing, and that would be the way they would stay in contact through the afternoon."

Quoted from http://www.twa800.com/news/on-air.htm
316 posted on 04/19/2004 8:52:25 PM PDT by Antoninus (In hoc signo, vinces †)
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To: ovrtaxt
BTTT
317 posted on 04/19/2004 8:52:34 PM PDT by auboy
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To: cherry
Someday, the Gop, not that they don't have their own evil minions, but someday they are going to have to stop being the stupid party and start being the strong party....

AMEN!!!

318 posted on 04/19/2004 8:53:56 PM PDT by Lael (Patent Law...not a single Supreme Court Justice is qualified to take the PTO Bar Exam!)
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To: FreeAtlanta
Why would Clinton cover up Muslim involvement in the OKC bombing?

Simple. Like him or not, agree with his approach or not, Clinton was actively involved in negotiating a settlement between Rabin and Arafat. Things were looking pretty good for Clinton at the time. If he could pull it off, it was a certain Nobel Peace Prize.

Of course, it was a tenous negotiation with an exceptionally untrustworthy Arafat. Negotiations would certainly be derailed if US public opinion rallied to obtain justice for Muslim sponsors of the OKC bombing. Many Muslims - Al Queda, Iran, and many others -- already saw the US as an enemy of Islam. Arafat would be unable to continue any dialogue with the US if it became more actively belligerent with Iraq. (In retrospect, it seems clear that he was negotiating in bad faith anyway.)

I am not saying that this OKC conspiracy theory is correct ... but, if it were, Clinton would have strong motivations to cover up.

A thornier question of motivation relates to the linkage between a pair of rednecks from a Christian culture with a bunch of crazed Islamofascists or Iraqis. They do have one thing in common, though, and that is anti-Semitism. I suppose McVey was disenchanted with the motives for Gulf War I, but just how would make the connections with Iraqi agents? It seems to be a bit of a stretch, but more unusual things have happened in history.
319 posted on 04/19/2004 8:56:47 PM PDT by RBroadfoot
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To: demlosers
So why is this stuff coming out now?

Murder will out! (Chaucer)

320 posted on 04/19/2004 8:57:26 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (You are not paranoid if "they" really are out to get you.)
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