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Dancing Girls And The Merry Magdalenian (13,000 Y.O. Painting, UK)
The Guardian (UK) ^ | 4-15-2004 | Sean Clarke

Posted on 04/18/2004 10:48:32 AM PDT by blam

Dancing girls and the merry Magdalenian

Archaeologists believe that 13,000-year-old cave paintings in Nottinghamshire were part of a continent-wide culture

Sean Clarke
Thursday April 15, 2004
The Guardian (UK)

The people who created the first surviving art in Britain were committed Europeans, belonging to a common culture spanning France, Belgium, Germany and the Netherlands, according to the man who discovered the cave art in Creswell Crags, Nottinghamshire. And the essential preoccupations of this single market in ice-age art, it seems, were hunting and naked dancing girls.

The discovery of 13,000-year-old rock paintings in Nottinghamshire last year rewrote ice-age history in Britain. Today, archaeologists from all over Europe are in Creswell to discuss how the finds form part of a continent-wide culture known as the Magdalenian.

Paul Pettitt, of Sheffield University's archaeology department, said: "The Magdalenian era was the last time that Europe was unified in a real sense and on a grand scale."

According to Mr Pettitt, the artists behind the Creswell paintings would have spent summers in the area feasting on migrating reindeer, but the winters on lowlands which now form the North sea or in the Netherlands or central Rhine areas.

They would have kept in close contact, possibly through yearly meetings, with people in the middle Rhine, the Ardennes forest and the Dordogne. At the time it was possible to walk from Nottinghamshire to the Dordogne.

"The importance of art for the Magdalenians is clear," said Mr Pettitt. "It helped to reaffirm their common cultural affiliation."

The Creswell paintings share characteristics with contemporary art at sites such as Altamira in Spain and Lascaux in France.

Of particular interest is a depiction of an ibex, an animal now only to be found in Europe in the Pyrenees. "Not one ice-age ibex bone has been found in Britain. The nearest ibex remains [from the period] were found in Belgium and mid-Germany," said Mr Pettitt. He said the most likely explanation is that Magdalenians saw ibexes elsewhere and painted them in Creswell as a reminder.

Other shapes found at Creswell were initially thought to be long-necked birds. "Looked at another way," said Mr Pettitt, "You see a naked women in profile, with jutting out buttocks and raised arms. It appears to be a picture of women doing a dance in which they thrust out their derrières. It's stylistically very similar to continental examples, and seems to demonstrate that Creswellians are singing and dancing in the same way as on the continent."

Modern Europeans do not normally have access to Creswell's Church Hole cave, partly in an effort to protect a colony of bats which lives there.

Modern Creswellians, though, have special reason to thank their arty predecessors. The cave complex and attendant museum - where visitors can see iron-age stone tools found in the caves - now attract 28,000 visitors a year, bringing much needed income to the former mining village. The museum trust has submitted a £4m bid to the lottery heritage fund to improve access to the site.

Jon Humble, inspector of ancient monuments for English Heritage, called it "the best and most successful example of an archaeology-led project for social and economic regeneration anywhere in the UK".

For Mr Pettitt, its significance is simpler. "It settles an old argument about whether ice-age Britons were isolated on the periphery or in contact with the rest of Europe," he said.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 13000; archaeology; dancing; ggg; girls; godsgravesglyphs; history; magdalenian; merry; painting
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1 posted on 04/18/2004 10:48:33 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Interesting.
2 posted on 04/18/2004 10:55:29 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: blam
Well, weren't the people in Britain 13K years ago celto-iberians?
4 posted on 04/18/2004 11:03:45 AM PDT by swilhelm73
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To: blam
And the essential preoccupations of this single market in ice-age art, it seems, were hunting and naked dancing girls.

Ug!

5 posted on 04/18/2004 11:09:44 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: blam
"Woman! Me go to Hooters for Reindeer food. Naked dancing girls? Oh no dear! Ahhh...me no want to see that. No--me just like their Pterodactyl wings...that is all."
6 posted on 04/18/2004 11:14:33 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: swilhelm73
They may have painted naked dancing girls, but they were really only looked at it for the heiroglyphics.
7 posted on 04/18/2004 11:29:51 AM PDT by thoughtomator (Waiting for Hamas to announce the name of the IDF's next target...)
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To: BenLurkin; blam
Interesting.

Shows that during the Ice Age Southern Britain was attached to Europe by a land bridge (due to lower sea levels).

Northern England was attached to Ireland in the same manner but this was further North and above the glacial extents. This could explain why the flora and fauna of Ireland is different than Britain (things like snakes are missing in Ireland).

8 posted on 04/18/2004 11:45:14 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (General - Alien Army of the Right (AAOTR))
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To: blam
Other shapes found at Creswell were initially thought to be long-necked birds. "Looked at another way," said Mr Pettitt, "You see a naked women in profile, with jutting out buttocks and raised arms. It appears to be a picture of women doing a dance in which they thrust out their derrières.

Talk about building an edifice on shaky foundations. It is not even clear what the drawings depict, and this yahoo builds a continent wide culture on this reference.

9 posted on 04/18/2004 12:57:26 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain
this yahoo builds a continent wide culture on this reference

The Continent wide culture claim was based on the drawing of an Ibex which has been native to Britain. The Ibex drawing was quite depictive.

10 posted on 04/18/2004 2:08:53 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (General - Alien Army of the Right (AAOTR))
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To: blam
And the essential preoccupations of this single market in ice-age art, it seems, were hunting and naked dancing girls.

For some reason, "...you might be a redneck." comes to mind.

11 posted on 04/18/2004 2:11:51 PM PDT by B Knotts (Salve!)
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To: Mike Darancette
has been = NEVER has been
12 posted on 04/18/2004 2:26:07 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (General - Alien Army of the Right (AAOTR))
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To: swilhelm73; farmfriend
Descendent Of Stone Age Skeleton Found
13 posted on 04/18/2004 3:25:26 PM PDT by blam
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To: Mike Darancette
Ireland has no snakes?
14 posted on 04/18/2004 3:46:16 PM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: GraniteStateConservative
Ireland has no snakes?

Not unless they have been brought over lately.

Snakeless in Ireland

15 posted on 04/18/2004 4:15:32 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (General - Alien Army of the Right (AAOTR))
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To: Mike Darancette
Weird. Thanks for the knowledge.
16 posted on 04/18/2004 7:41:01 PM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: blam
What, no pics?
17 posted on 04/18/2004 7:44:50 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Larry Lucido
"What, no pics?"

Couldn't find any.

18 posted on 04/18/2004 7:51:53 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam; *Gods, Graves, Glyphs; A.J.Armitage; abner; adam_az; AdmSmith; Alas Babylon!; ...
Gods, Graves, Glyphs
List for articles regarding early civilizations , life of all forms, - dinosaurs - etc.
Let me know if you wish to be added or removed from this ping list.
19 posted on 04/19/2004 12:58:37 PM PDT by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: blam
"Naked Dancing Girls"

Pornography, the driving force of civilization. Well, that and war ...

20 posted on 04/19/2004 1:04:58 PM PDT by Junior (Remember, you are unique, just like everyone else.)
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