Spain Orders their Troops out of Iraq as soon as possible.

CNN

[wardaddy]

apples and oranges dear.

liberalism would never have taken hold in this country sans women voting. the woman's vote especially for unmarried women has gone liberal heavily since FDR.

i'm not saying it's not right that women get to vote but i am saying that giving that right to women has made liberalism infinitely more viable in this country than it ever would have been.

to my knowledge, we in America (even during slavery) never treated women at the harsh levels of the taliban. women did not vote here until 1920 (?) but I don't recall that we ever behaved like the ragheads with regards to women.....to be fair to our old oppressive great grandpas and all.

[anymouse]

Spain is making a big mistake. Their homefront won't be safe from islamofascist terrorists.

[Justa]

The 'media' et. al. for the most part remain in their hotels in Baghdad. They do not consider CENTCOM or soldiers a source of information. Rather, they appear to rely upon calling on some 'source' in a city/region to find out what's going on there. No source in Najaf = no information. One source in the Al Kut area = bad information as in: "Ukranians abandon their base in Al Kut". The journalists dare not travel alone, that's for 'little people' like aid workers, businessmen and missionaries. Their employers are too cheap to hire security for them so they sit around and make snide reports regarding security personnel and those they protect. I suppose it's hard for them to come to terms with the fact that they're not only useless, misguided and incorrect but, in the eyes of their employers, worthless as well.

As for journalists' casualty figures it appears their only source for insurgent casualties to date is a statement attributed to a doctor in Fallujah saying there were 600 dead from Marines' fire, which of course was mostly "women and children". That's the extent and quality of the media's reporting as I can tell.

[cherry]

hogwash, dear....

just because a group of voters does not vote YOUR way, does not make their vote any less important...

Tell me, since you don't think women should vote because some women vote Demonrat, what do you propose that we do with Jews and Blacks, because they vote almost exclusively Demonrat?....

maybe we should rescind the Black vote because ever since they got the vote, the country's gone to hell in a handbasket?...well?....

[wardaddy]

LOL..try to read all of my post dearest such as line #3

i'm not saying it's not right that women get to vote

why must we bring poor jews and blacks into this? i can't recall jews being disenfranchised in modern history here.

if you don't believe that the women's vote has been crucial to granting liberalism a foothold here especially since 1964 and even more decidedly since 1980 then you have not been doing much research

let me suggest: go to google and type in "gender gap and presidential elections since 1920" ....reams of info sweetness.

To be fair to your baiting though I will take a bite of the minnow

I think only folks who pay income, capital or property taxes should vote regardless of race or gender. That would settle a lot and is in line precisely with what most of our founders had in mind. And voting should be mandatory and on Saturdays where the nonworking have less advantage.

[sadimgnik]

(Spaniards' 'white flag')

You know, of course, that the Spanish troops being withdrawn are earmarked for afghanistan, where Spain believes the 'REAL' war on terror is being fought?

They (rightly or wrongly) believe that without international support, the invasion of Iraq was ill-advised, illegal and counter-productive.

Whereas the war on terror - via the fight against the Taliban - is something they continue to support.

Just so you know: it's not cowardice - it's a difference of opinion.

The Opposition here holds the same view - and I can understand their position.

NB: I personally maintain that the invasion of Iraq was the right thing to do ... but not for the reasons used as justification.


Sadim

[sadimgnik]

As Spain officially joins the Axis of Weasels....

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Michael, Michael .. I thought you had better comprehension skills.

As someone else has posted .. Spain remains in the Coalition of the Willing, and on the ground in Afghanistan.

They just don't think we should be in Iraq, diluting the war against terror with what they see as a sideshow.

Sadim









NB - on a separate issue, I hope the home-front situation improves for you and yours soon ... the Aus dollar's continuing to slide - I'm waiting for it to pick up before I take action. I'd rather any assistance goes to you, not george soros :-)

[bored at work]

. . . it's not cowardice to run from an enemy. . .

It is where I come from...

[Dave Elias]

They didn't re-elect him becase this "honorable man" lied to them.

[cyncooper]

Right, Davey.

Thanks for sharing your deep "thoughts".

[Dave Elias]

Yeah, I'm sure they'd much rather be in Iraq.

[Dave Elias]

"And voting should be mandatory and on Saturdays "

As per Australia, for your interest.

[First_Salute]

Appeasement has nothing to do with it.

The socialists are the axis of terrorism and have been for over a century; they will say and do anything, terrorize anybody, kill anybody, destroy anything, to get the power for which they lust.

To accuse Spain of retreating, is wrong, because Spain, the Spanish people, are most definitely not cowards.

Their problems are very much based upon the country's socialists, who now have control of the government.

[madison10]

Does that mean we can pull our people out of Afghanistan? I'd say it would be a fair exchange, we've been in Afghanistan a long time.

[sadimgnik]

As I understand it, Spain's had troops in Afghanistan as long as you guys (or us).

Which reinforces my argument .. the Iraq withdrawal is a difference of opinion on policy, not an example of cowardice.

The Spaniards joined the fight against terror from day one .. but the new government in Madrid believes the fight against terror should not be sidetracked by what, in their opinion, is a side-issue.

I have some sympathy for their position: I believe we should have invaded Iraq, and removed Saddam ... but we should have been honest about why, rather than cloaking the move in a 'war against terror' guise.

Regards

Sadim

[BradJ]

Europe needs to look no farther to understand why Bin Laden thinks he can get a "truce" than Spain's withdrawal and influenced elections.

[Twinkie]

Now that Spain has tucked tail and ran from the terrorists,
the terrorists now control Spain. Whatever whim any
terrorist groups have for Spain now will have to be met,
but what does Spain do when two different terrorist
organizations demand two different opposing actions?
They'll be derned if they do and derned if they don't
because they can't make both terrorist groups happy.

[longjack]

As someone else has posted .. Spain remains in the Coalition of the Willing, and on the ground in Afghanistan.

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Last Updated Mon, 29 Mar 2004 18:27:17

MADRID - Spain will double its contribution of peacekeepers in Afghanistan to 250 soldiers, according to incoming Defence Ministry officials.

"CBC News....Spain to send more troops to Afghanistan

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That'll leave a mark.

longjack

[samtheman]

Appeasement has nothing to do with it. The socialists are the axis of terrorism and have been for over a century; they will say and do anything, terrorize anybody, kill anybody, destroy anything, to get the power for which they lust.

To accuse Spain of retreating, is wrong, because Spain, the Spanish people, are most definitely not cowards.

Their problems are very much based upon the country's socialists, who now have control of the government.

Allow me to retort:

Appeasement had everything to do with it. A significant number of Spanish voters felt that if they gave the terrorists what they wanted, they would go away and leave Spain alone. That's appeasement.

The Spanish soldiers are definitely not cowards. The Spanish voters who recalled their soldiers, by voting for socialists, are cowards.

Spain's problem isn't primarly socialist "control of government", it is primarily: the number of voters willing to give control to the socialists.

Your argument is full of circular reasoning that boils down to an illogical conclusion: that the voters in a democracy (are you saying Spain is not a democracy?) are not responsible for the government they elect into office.

Wrong. It's the voters fault.

Garbage Ballots Cast.

Garbage Politicians In.

[cartoonistx]