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Electoral College Breakdown 2004, April 14th Update
ECB 2004 ^
| 4/14/04
Posted on 04/14/2004 12:26:56 PM PDT by Dales
Edited on 04/14/2004 5:45:57 PM PDT by Admin Moderator.
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Last week's quiz: What two consecutive elections featured the smallest percentage of states that changed from voting for one party in the first but another party in the second?
Leaving out the Washington elections (I didnt specify, but I meant after the change was made so that the electors were not casting two votes), the first, best answer was given by AuH2ORepublican:
Between 1884 and 1888, only 2 states (NY and IN) switched (both from Democrat Cleveland to Republican B. Harrison), which was only 5.26% of the 38 states then in the Union. If we only looked at elections since 1912 (when there were 48 or more states in the Union), there were 4 sets of consecutive elections in which only 4 states (or 8.33%, since there were 48 states in ech of those cases) switched: 1920-1924 (OK and TN from R to D, KY from D to R, and WI from R to Progressive); 1932-1936 (NH, CT, PA and DE from R to D); 1940-1944 (WI, OH and WY from D to R, and MI from R to D); and 1952-1956 (LA, KY and WV from D to R, and MO from R to D).
Between 1992 and 1996, 5 states (or 10%) switched parties (MT, CO and GA from D to R, and FL and AZ from R to D). So close, but no cigar.
Give that man a cigar.
This week's quiz: Which election featured the first independent media matchup poll, and did it get the election right?
TOPICS: Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: Florida; US: Louisiana; US: Massachusetts; US: New Jersey; US: New York; US: Oklahoma
KEYWORDS: dales; ecb; ecb2004; electionpresident; poll; polls
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posted on
04/14/2004 12:26:58 PM PDT
by
Dales
To: Neets
Pingaling :-)
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posted on
04/14/2004 12:27:19 PM PDT
by
Dales
To: Coop; KQQL; BlackRazor; AntiGuv
Thanks for alerting me to mistakes and to new polls!
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posted on
04/14/2004 12:34:29 PM PDT
by
Dales
To: Dales
thanks
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posted on
04/14/2004 12:44:45 PM PDT
by
not-alone
To: Dales
Look at the internals of Rasmussen poll,
they all favor Bush and he has Kerry ahead by 1%.
His poll is one day machine JUNK..
His model is a flawed.
Mason dixon, Research 2000 know FL.
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posted on
04/14/2004 12:47:07 PM PDT
by
KQQL
(@)
To: Dales
Which election featured the first independent media matchup poll, and did it get the election right? Wasn't there a 1936 poll that had Alf Landon defeating Franklin Roosevelt in a 57-43% landslide?
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posted on
04/14/2004 12:50:52 PM PDT
by
AntiGuv
(Never look back - somethin might be gainin on ya!)
To: Dales
Good analysis. I think what will open up the race for Bush is when he has a few head-to-head debates with Kerry. Kerry will come across as angry and unlikeable and Bush will come across as the likeable honest man that he is. The vaunted undecided voters will go with the likeable guy, Bush.
Oh, and you are right on the economy. There is more than 6 months of data proving the economy is strong, maybe too strong. This will become harder for the press to spin and hide as time goes on. Improving job numbers is the real key and March was phenomenal. Iraq will hopefully be a positive by November.
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posted on
04/14/2004 12:52:27 PM PDT
by
txjeep
To: Dales
BTW, for any pollsters watching ;^) the states in most dire need of polling are Arkansas and Delaware...
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posted on
04/14/2004 12:54:02 PM PDT
by
AntiGuv
(Never look back - somethin might be gainin on ya!)
To: Dales
Ah, good to see these again. I like the new color coding where Bush gets the Blue and the commie Dem gets the Red. It's much less confusing that way.
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posted on
04/14/2004 12:54:26 PM PDT
by
1Old Pro
To: Dales; Grampa Dave; SierraWasp; BOBTHENAILER; Dog Gone; blam
Looks close, thanks for your work!
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posted on
04/14/2004 12:55:58 PM PDT
by
Ernest_at_the_Beach
(The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
To: AntiGuv
Is that your final answer? :-)
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posted on
04/14/2004 12:57:36 PM PDT
by
Dales
To: Dales
I would point out that one of the main reasons Florida was such a nailbiter was the networks calling the state for Algore an hour before the polls in the heavily conservative Panhandle closed, costing Dubya around a 10,000 vote cushion. Bill Sammon recounts how damaging this 'mistake' was to the Bush campaign in "At Any Cost".
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posted on
04/14/2004 1:00:37 PM PDT
by
ABG(anybody but Gore)
(Wolfgang Puck does not belong on Iron Chef America, no matter how funny his accent is.)
To: KQQL
I knew the Rasmussen poll was coming out and wasn't looking forward to it, although it does show a 2 point move from their previous poll. I share your skepticism. With Florida's economy booming, no Southerner on the ticked, no Lieberman, it's hard to see that Florida would not have moved in Bush's direction.
Most of the other Rasmussen state polls (except Missouri) aren't very kind to Bush either viz a viz other polls.
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posted on
04/14/2004 1:01:41 PM PDT
by
TomEwall
To: Dales
It is a long time until November and if we capture Bin laden, Al Zwaherie (sp) or find some WMD's between now and then its game, set, match
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posted on
04/14/2004 1:01:44 PM PDT
by
BobinIL
To: Dales
Nice work. Bump!
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posted on
04/14/2004 1:03:00 PM PDT
by
dead
(I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
To: Dales
thanks much for the excellent work.
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posted on
04/14/2004 1:06:02 PM PDT
by
XBob
To: Dales; All
Does anyone have information to the "keys" of victory for Presidential elections?
I don't know the exact name of the formula, but I remember it from the 2000 election. It has a set of 10-15 criteria that rates incumbents, and if they "turn" a certain number of the keys, it in the past indicated victory or defeat of incumbents.
Any idea of what I am talking about, or is my mind that faulty?
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posted on
04/14/2004 1:07:45 PM PDT
by
codercpc
To: Dales
Thanks for posting this. I will still maintain that the Minnesota information is seroiusly flawed due to the "tweak factor" of the Minneapolis Red Star.
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posted on
04/14/2004 1:08:14 PM PDT
by
Aeronaut
(If we are not 'one nation under God,' what are we?)
To: KQQL
The map lists Georgia as "leaning" come on....Georgia will go to Bush. If they have this wrong then all other data is suspect.
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posted on
04/14/2004 1:08:49 PM PDT
by
nyconse
To: Dales
I ripped into you for posting your
slight edge to Bush in New Jersey in two previous ECB updates. My apologies, you called this one way ahead of the pack. It seems the next question is whether Nader will have any organized support in NJ. And if he will be on the ballot at all.
Pinning the GOP's hopes on Nader.
Getting set up for the fall when Nader withdraws at the last moment and supports Kerry? Is there a "Republicans for Nader" club yet? The problem with the FDU poll is that it says Nader is pulling only from Kerry in NJ, while other comparable states have Nader drawing votes from both candidates. It would be interesting to hear Republican Liberty Caucus and New Jersey Libertarian Party officials take on this unique situation in NJ. If Perot's 1992 showing, if Sabrin's Libertarian gubernatorial results, and Nader's 3% in 2000 indicate anything, is that NJ is beyond party politics.
NEW JERSEY
1,284,173 Bush (40.3%)
1,788,850 Gore (56.1%)
94,554 Nader (3.0%)
19,649 Other (0.6%)
Can Nader pull in another 60000-80000 voters in NJ this year? That's a lot of highly disaffected people to get motivated to even show up for election day.
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I Wouldn't Touch It With a 10 Foot Poll
Unsustainable Contradictions
The best national poll for my money is the Battleground Poll. Produced by a joint effort between Democrat pollster Celinda Lake of Snell, Lake, Perry and Associates, and Republican pollster Ed Goeas of the Tarrance Group, it avoids the partisanship that sometimes can slip into the sampling methods of other polls. The partisanship can come out in the strategic analysis each does for the respective parties, although the spin presented is usually substantive. This year's springtime Battleground Poll, released this week, is excellent as always.
Ms. Lake takes an optimistic look for the Democrats, saying it is difficult to find a precedent for an incumbent with such anemic numbers who has gone on to win re-election. However, Ms. Lakes analysis contains a significant error which is both unusual for her and could possibly have impacted her optimism; she states Consequently, voters are unhappy with the job Bush is doing; fully half now disapprove of his performance in office (50 percent disapprove to 45 percent approve) while in actuality the polling numbers presented show that she has those numbers transposed. Her prescription for Kerry is to minimize or neutralize Bushs dominance on the critical dimension of security and turn the agenda to the economy.
Mr. Goeas starts his analysis by focusing on the partisan divide in America. One side clearly identifies with President Bush as a strong, moral, decisive leader, views Americas economy on the rebound and credits President George W. Bush. The other side sees Bush as an ineffectual leader who has ignored the war on terrorism to pursue a vendetta against Saddam Hussein in Iraq and is largely focused on the economic downturn and job loss. His conclusion is one that I have been asserting for weeks (but am now questioning): This presidential election truly appears to be starting exactly where it left off in November of 2000 In that election, turnout (not polling) was the final determinant of the election!
The poll has some interesting results. The unaided ballot question, which Mr. Goeas points out is one of the strongest predictors of the coming election, yields a 4-point Bush lead. However, when voters are given the names and are queried, if you had to make a choice, the gap closes to a 1 point Kerry lead (Nader is not a factor, scoring a meager 1%). The numbers are as close as can be here too, as both get 41% saying definitely, 1% saying leaning, and the remainder saying probably. Another way of looking at this is that voters who need to be reminded who the candidates are break 2-1 in favor of John Kerry.
The country is decidedly pessimistic. Well over half of all voters (57%) think that the country is off the right track, compared to just 38% who think we are heading in the right direction. Strikingly, most are not ambivalent about this question. Nearly three quarters of those polled feel strongly about their answer to this question, and those who do take the negative view twice as frequently (47% to 26%). With this in mind, it is very surprising that the President is running even with Kerry; one would expect that if that many people think we need to change direction, that the challenger would be winning comfortably, unless the challenger was viewed so negatively that voters would shun him. However, Kerry has a net favorable rating of +13. The current state of the electorate is contradictory.
Is such a disparity sustainable? There always is that possibility; if something is measured a particular way at one point in time, it can certainly be measured that way at another point in time. However, it is unlikely. As people focus more on the election, the contradictions tend to fade away. However, should this status quo be maintained, then Kerry has very little room for growth. A full 93% of those who think the country is on the wrong track support him, which is about as close to unanimity as one can get in a poll. He also would need to retain his two to one advantage among those who are currently so unfocused on the election that they need the candidate names given to them in order to name a preference. Further, if this status quo does somehow remain, then Kerry faces another challenge, for it would mean another election where turnout is everything. The Democrat base, which energizes the get-out-the-vote machine, is significantly to the left of the country and is angry. Howard Dean angry. Al Gore he played upon our fears angry. Moveon.com angry. But the public is not angry; only 10% said they are angered by the state of affairs. The overwhelming sentiment (33%) is that of worry, which is a much weaker emotion at driving turnout, and playing to the angry base is likely to turn off those who do not share that emotion.
Much more likely is that there will be a change, in one of three forms. Either the Bush campaign will manage to drive up Kerrys negatives to where he is not a viable option for the pessimistic (or Kerry does so himself with some unbelievable gaffes), or people will decide that things are not going so bad after all, or Kerry will pull away.
Of these three possibilities, the least likely to happen is that voters will become so disdainful of Kerry that they would ignore their dour outlook of the nations outlook and vote for the President. Even should there be a 20 point swing in Kerrys net approval rating, it still would unlikely be enough to overcome a 19 point gap in voter optimism, especially when the pessimistic feel so strongly about it. In all likelihood, this probably played into the calculation by the Bush campaign when they decided to decrease current advertising levels by 30%.
There is reason for the Bush campaign to feel optimistic about changing peoples views of the direction of the country. Merely 8% of those polled think they will be worse off financially a year from now. And on matters of national security, terrorism, and Iraq, Bush enjoys substantial leads over Kerry. Again there is a contradiction; people feel we are moving in the wrong direction, but do not think they will be worse of economically and think that Bushs plans on foreign affairs and terror are right. It is possible that this dichotomy will remain, but much more likely that people will change one of these views.
Further, it is very unlikely that the current disconnect over the state of the economy is going to continue. Either the economy is improving, or it is not. If it is improving, then there will be many months worth of evidence to back up that perception, and fewer will believe we are on the wrong path. This would be a disaster for the Kerry campaign, which they clearly realize as indicated by their attempt to redefine the Misery Index, including in it components that cannot be changed by November. It is a valiant effort, but if the economy is truly improving, efforts to portray it as not improving will be fruitless. And if the economy sputters, then the President is in serious trouble.
Iraq is also going to be clarified by November. Bush has a timeline out which will either be made, or it will not. Things will have deteriorated as some fear will happen, or they will not have. There will be spin, and there will be some ambiguity, but by and large the direction will be more readily discernable than it is right now.
Which will it be? Will the delicate status quo, unbalanced and contradictory as it is, hold through November? Will things be better than they are now? Or worse? The quandary for Kerry is that he likely loses the first two cases. If things remain the same, he has to maintain his near-unanimous hammerlock on those who think the country is on the wrong track while simultaneously exciting the angry left base (for turnout) without alienating those who are worried, not angry, and who generally like the President as a person. And if things are better, the pool of those who think the country is heading in the wrong direction will not be large enough. His entire election hinges on the coming events of the next several months validating the pessimists view that the country is heading in the wrong direction. He has the unenviable task of having to hope for misery and for death.
For the past few weeks, I have been stating that I believed this election would play out much as 2000s did. I no longer have that opinion, and am back to the stance I had at the start of the year. Things are close now, but are unlikely to remain that way. The contradictions that exist within the opinions of the electorate will be resolved, and the underlying issues that right now are so unclear (such as if the economy is recovering, and which way things will go in Iraq) will have clarified. The popular vote will probably never open up all that much due to the partisan divide of the country, but the bet here is that most of the battleground states, and possibly some others, will move together to one candidate. And since I believe that the rainy outlook on the economy is based on false beliefs-- fully a third of voters think we are currently in a recession according to a recent Rasmussen poll, when in reality we have been out of a recession for many months)the money here says that by October it will be clear that President Bush will be re-elected.
This Week's Polling Updates Overview
For most of the week, it appeared as if the pollsters had decided to go on spring break, as no state polls came out until Sunday. We ended up getting a few, with the majority just reinforcing what we already knew. The biggest surprise was, ironically, just such a case, where New Jersey validated previous results showing that to be a horse race. New York opened back up for Kerry, but the gap is still about 15 points less than it was in 2000, which again validates the New Jersey result (since Gore won the Garden State by 16).Just before publication, Rasmussen released a new result for Florida, showing it to be neck and neck.
Background: Republicans have won every election here since LBJ.
Polling Data:
Punditry: Much to my surprise, Oklahoma is still relatively competitive for a southern state. The Insider Advantage poll may have an explanation: Governor Brad Henry's approval ratings are through the roof. Insider Advantage suggests that Kerry may want to look to Henry as a running mate. I think that would likely cause Henry's approval ratings to plummet, since he has been able to avoid many of the positions of the national Democratic party so far. Strong Advantage for Bush.
Background: They like them liberal in Massachusetts. Reagan did carry the state twice (barely), and Ike took it twice, but that's about it since 1924. Most of the time it has not been very close at all.
Polling Data:
Punditry: They love Kerry in Massachusetts. Safe for Kerry.
Background: Louisiana votes for southerners in Presidential elections. George Wallace won here. Carter beat Ford. Clinton beat Dole. And Clinton beat Bush (with a big help from Perot). All others since JFK were won by Republicans.
Polling Data:
Punditry: Even after the Kerry surge, Louisiana is sitting pretty for President Bush. One bright spot for the Democrats is that Jindal was leading Blanco by almost as impressive margins just a few weeks before losing the election to the current Governor. One thing to keep an eye on is the retirement of popular Senator John Breaux, who is looking to move into the private sector. Should there be a Kerry/Breaux ticket, then Louisiana may end up being not so comfortable.Strong Advantage for Bush.
Background: New Jersey used to be considered a Republican state. Those days have passed, although there are still some signs of life. In the last 10 Presidential elections it has gone 1-6-3 with the Republican wins coming in the middle, the last Clinton win and the Gore win were by such substantial margins that it is hard to avoid the feeling that New Jersey is trending leftward.
If New Jersey remains tight enough to stay in the battleground, it is a case of back to the future. ECB2000 started with it leaning Gore's way. The Democrats have 7 of 13 Representatives and both Senate seats, control both chambers of the state legislature, hold all of the important executive offices, and have a 25%-19% advantage in voter registration.
Polling Data:
Punditry: Can we finally stop telling me how nuts I am to think that New Jersey is competitive? It is. Slight Advantage for Bush.
Now if it will be by election day is anyone's guess. But the decision to hold the convention in nearby New York City doesn't seem so nutty any longer, does it?
Background: From 1960 onward, Republicans have carried the Empire State only three times. Nixon beat McGovern, Reagan beat Carter, and Reagan beat Mondale. Even Dukakis won here.
Polling Data:
Punditry: In March, I said "I fully expect the Empire State to move strongly to the left in the next poll for the state." I am originally from New York. I know my home state.
The most interesting thing to me about this poll is how unbelievably popular in New York Mayor Giuliani is. Sen. Chuck Schumer enjoys a 61-19 approval/disapproval rating split, indicative of a very popular politician. However, when he is matched up against Rudy? Mayor Giuliani beats Sen. Schumer 56 -- 36 percent.
Background: Despite the best efforts of the results-oriented Florida Supreme Court, Bush held on to win the state in 2000, just as every recount conducted afterwards validated. Did you know that since 1948, though, that only three times has Florida gone for the Democrat candidate? Johnson got 51%, Carter got 52%, and Clinton (2nd term) got 48% (with Perot taking 9%). More times than not, the Republican has come closer to 60%. Why Bush underperformed here to such a degree is something his campaign must rectify.
In the first ECB of 2000, Florida was listed as a battleground with a slight advantage to Gore. This time around, it is starting with a slight advantage for Bush. Florida has 6 Democrat Representatives and 18 Republicans. Both chambers of the state legislature are controlled by the Republicans. Republicans control most of the executive branch. However, both Senate seats are held by Democrats. As of Dec. 1, 2003, the state registration was 41.9% Democrat and 38.6% Republican.
Polling Data:
Punditry: Rasmussen says Florida will be 2000 redux. Seems fitting at this stage of the game. Tossup.
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